6 things I wish antivaxxers would stop saying

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Let’s start by saying how much I love you guys. Really. We’re a ragtag group, all with different opinions, different experiences, different areas of expertise, different passions, and different ideas about how we should go about getting things done. Some of us are a little bit crazy; we know that. It’s a hard job. Many of us have vaccine injured kids and screaming from the rooftops for decades about the emperor having no clothes is enough to make anyone crazy. Many of us know in our hearts that proselytizing about vaccine damage is doing God’s work. Some of us have put politicians out of business in Texas and some of us have made it our mission to pound Richard Pan’s career into dust. We are a wonderful “small, but vocal minority.”

But I also want us to be right. I want all of you to be accurate in what you say online. And there are some things so deeply ingrained in our community that no one questions them and no one does more than a cursory Google search to bring them up and happily paste them onto social media. So please. Let’s stop saying these things.

  1. THERE IS PEANUT OIL IN VACCINES

Of all of the vaccine injuries out there, I don’t think any of them elicits such know-it-all-isms as the peanut allergy. It must be so hard for peanut allergy parents to have literally everyone telling them what caused this deadly condition in their child (the peanut oil), and what they need to do to cure them (feed them small amounts of peanut flour). No one does that for asthma or epilepsy.

Here’s what happens when I point out the fact that there is no evidence of peanut oil in today’s vaccines:

First comes the 1964 peanut oil adjuvant New York Times article. But I want you to think for a second– the peanut allergy epidemic began with children born in the late 1980s to very early 1990s. Do you think manufacturers held onto this safe and effective peanut oil adjuvant for 25 years before adding it to children’s vaccines? No, they did not. It had a short life, discussed below, but that does not mean it’s in today’s American pediatric vaccines.

Then comes the vaccine patents. Oh, patents. If you’ve never written a patent then you probably don’t understand that the goal of a patent is to keep your product as vague and unreplicable as possible, while being only specific enough to gain patent protection. Patents are not a recipe for how to make a product. They are a kitchen sink approach to making a product. See the difference? They list every kind of adjuvant possible– including a water-in-oil peanut adjuvant– so that no one has any idea which adjuvant on that list they really used. This does not mean peanut oil is in vaccines.

Then someone lobs the “generally recognized as safe” status of highly refined peanut oil into the discussion, with the claim that manufacturers would not have to disclose peanut oil if they put it into vaccines. Highly refined peanut oil shouldn’t ever contain any peanut protein, and I don’t personally know any peanut allergic kids who have ever reacted to highly refined peanut oil. In fact, I know many peanut allergic kids who eat at Chick-fil-A. But just because there is an oil that doesn’t need to be disclosed by law does not mean that oil is in vaccines, and if peanut oil were used as an adjuvant it wouldn’t be GRAS, because GRAS ingredients can only be “non-bioactive,” which means they can’t have a biological effect. An adjuvant is certainly bioactive.

I know that there is also a powdered peanut broth for growing gram negative bacteria, but vaccines list their growth media and this broth is not listed. Peanut broth would not have GRAS status and you’d being seeing it on the excipient list. Yes, I know that Dr. Palevsky wrote a piece about this where he furthered the peanut oil/peanut growth medium rumor. This isn’t his area of expertise and I’m going to let it slide, but someone please ask him to stop saying that.

Then comes the 2011 Tim O’Shea plagiarized piece where he bastardizes Heather Fraser’s work about the history of peanuts in America. I’m sure Dr. O’Shea is a very nice human being but I have no tolerance for anyone who steals the work of another, takes credit, and then to add insult to injury, contorts facts to make it conclude something the original author never concluded.

Heather Fraser’s book has a short discussion of the history of peanut oil in the flu shot (1960s-1970s) and the penicillin shot (1950-1980). And I’ll tell you, people have taken these facts and twisted them into what they are not so badly that she almost wishes she’d never brought them up. You have to read her whole book. Don’t skim it for some self-affirming information.

Heather Fraser is a leading historian on peanut use in America. She is a friend of mine and we talk on the phone about this issue every so often. In fact, she just wrote a piece about it for World Mercury Project so that you can helpfully paste a link each time you see someone say that there is peanut oil in vaccines.

To quote Heather, “Again, we did not suddenly add fish or nuts, dairy, eggs, banana, wheat, latex, bee venom, pollens, etc. to the vaccines to launch this allergy epidemic. Rather, we suddenly changed the potency and number of vaccines we gave to our children starting at birth to create atopic and at risk children.”

2. A SHATTERED MULTI-DOSE FLU VACCINE VIAL REQUIRES A BUILDING EVACUATION

I love your work, RFK, Jr., but when you said this one year ago to Tucker Carlson on FOX News (at 2:48) it was inaccurate. I did think it was a brilliant line, though! Until I looked it up.

A broken multi-dose flu vaccine is biohazardous waste like blood and body fluids. County health departments call for it to be cleaned up and put into a thick orange or red trash bag with the biohazard symbol on it.

No building is evacuated.

It is also not a “HAZMAT” team cleanup. HAZWOPER personnel are trained and certified to assess spills, clean up spills within their capacity, or make the decision to elevate the situation to a HAZMAT level. A HAZMAT team is not called for a broken flu vaccine. It just goes in a red bag. No one is wearing a HAZMAT suit.

There was a story in 2009 about a broken mercury thermometer at a flu shot clinic that caused an evacuation, and another in 2017 at a Malaysian hospital. But neither was a flu vaccine.

To put it in perspective, a flu vaccine contains 25 micrograms of mercury and a new vial contains 125. A mercury filling in a tooth can off-gas that much mercury fume in two to four weeks. A CFL lightbulb has 4,000 micrograms of mercury, so you can see why breaking one is a really big deal. And an old-fashioned thermometer has over 600,000 micrograms of mercury– you’d be crazy not clear the building if you break one.

3. THERE IS ALUMINUM IN THE FLU VACCINE

Aluminum is an adjuvant that tricks the body into having a massive immune response to a tiny bit of antigen. While the multi-dose vials of influenza vaccine contain a kind of mercury preservative, they do not, and have never, contained aluminum.

There is no flu vaccine on the American market that has approval for aluminum adjuvant. There is one single H5N1 flu vaccine that is kept in a national stockpile that contains an adjuvant called AS03, which is squalene-based, or shark liver oil. It is not available for purchase in the US at this time. A second squalene-based flu vaccine called Fluad is available for senior citizens.

4. VACCINE MANUFACTURERS REPLACED MERCURY WITH ALUMINUM

Mercury is used as a cytotoxic preservative to stop bacteria and fungi from growing in vaccine vials. It was phased out of American pediatric vaccines, for the most part, in 2001-2003, except for trace amounts. It is not phased out worldwide, and it is still in the American flu vaccine that comes in a large vial with five doses.

Aluminum, on the other hand, is an adjuvant to make the vaccine elicit a big immune response. One metal didn’t replace the other. Aluminum has been in vaccines since the very first diphtheria vaccine came on the market in the 1930s. Prior to 2001, many vaccines contained both aluminum and mercury.

5. THE PRE-2001 MMR HAD MERCURY

The live MMR, varicella, and shingles are frozen vaccines. They are preserved with cold and do not have other preservative, so they must be kept very cold during their entire chain of custody. They never had mercury preservative, didn’t have mercury removed, and don’t contain mercury or aluminum now.

In 1963 there was an inactivated measles vaccine to compete with the live vaccine, but its antibody level wasn’t high enough and it was pulled from the market. No one under the age of 53 today would have received that vaccine in a field trial.

6. THE WHOOPING COUGH VACCINE SHEDS

The pertussis vaccine does not shed. However, it doesn’t stop a pertussis infection from forming at some later date either, which is then contagious, but that isn’t what shedding is. Getting a pertussis vaccine doesn’t create a low level pertussis infection that sheds to other people.

When you see the studies about DPT/DTaP/Tdap-vaccinated children developing near-symptomless pertussis, it wasn’t in the days after vaccination, as if the vaccine caused pertussis. They developed mild coughs probably within a year of being vaccinated and the parents didn’t realize it was whooping cough. The DtaP/Tdap isn’t a live vaccine, and only the live vaccines have the potential to shed.

There are currently six live vaccines (measles, mumps, rubella, rotavirus, chickenpox, shingles) used in the US but there used to be eight (including oral polio and nasal influenza).

This is shedding: getting a Flumist vaccine up the nose, which must create a low level flu infection in the respiratory tract, which would shed for a week or so. That nasal vaccine was unrecommended, and now I think it’s re-recommended again, but I don’t know that it’s actually available.

This is also shedding: the oral Rotavirus vaccine passes through the intestinal tract and sheds in baby bowel movements. The oral polio vaccine that we don’t use in the US since about 1997 also sheds in bowel movements.

Getting the live vaccines MMR, chicken pox, or shingles has the possibility of shedding, and we’ve all seen the old warnings in cancer wards to keep freshly vaccinated MMR or chickenpox kids out of the area. Although it’s all been scrubbed from the internet now, Livestrong still has a reference to the National Cancer Institute saying it.

Think of it this way:

Shedding is when the vaccine creates the infection.

Asymptomatic carrier is when the vaccine didn’t prevent an infection from happening.

I think those are my biggest complaints. Are we still friends? I hope so. Now go do some accurate, vocal dissenting about the government vaccination program.

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7. VACCINES ARE INJECTED INTO THE BLOODSTREAM

Now, this might sound nitpicky, but it’s something that trolls will call you out on every time you say it. There is no IV needle inserted into a vein, delivering a vaccine. The nurse is aiming away from being anywhere near a vein, I guarantee you.

So let’s change our language about this. Vaccines are delivered four ways: orally, intradermally, subcutaneously, and intramuscularly. Five if you count the nasal flu vaccine.

In the US, the only oral vaccine is for infant rotavirus, so you know that one isn’t injected into the bloodstream, or into a vein.

No vaccines in the US are delivered intradermally, but in other countries the BCG vaccine is administered this way with a 10mm needle. This is injected directly into the skin, and then you see that nasty reaction to it on the child’s arm for the next year. You know what I’m talking about.

Only a few American vaccines, like for pneumococcal, are injected into the subcutaneous layer of the skin with a 16mm needle. These injections go just beneath the skin into the subcutaneous fat.

Almost all vaccines are delivered intramuscularly (into a muscle) with a 25mm needle. This is because deep intramuscular injections are absorbed by the body better than subcutaneously– this is why epinephrine pens must go deep into the thigh muscle for a child in anaphylaxis.

Then where does the injected substance go? From the muscles the injected substance goes to the capillary beds, where it is picked up by the veins, and yes, it then ends up in the bloodstream.

 

 

 

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43 Comments

  1. Levi: Thanks. The mainstream media publishes articles and op/eds replete with errors of fact on many issues. Our credibility depends upon avoiding this like the plague. Truly, it appears that most vaccine promoters, such as Pan, don’t even know basic facts such as these about the products they promote.

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  2. I am confused by one thing on here, can you please clarify. In number 3, you stated that: “There is no flu vaccine on the American market that has approval for any kind of adjuvant– aluminum or otherwise.” But in number 4 you stated that (referring to mercury), “It is not phased out worldwide, and it is still in the American flu vaccine that comes in a large vial with five doses.” Isn’t mercury an adjuvent? Is it still in the flu vaccine? I am concerned because my husband is forced to take this every year or be fired. Thank you.

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    1. Thanks for your question. No, mercury is not an adjuvant. It is a preservative for vaccines that were not frozen because it kills bacteria and fungi.

      I too would be concerned about a spouse having to take a flu vaccine each year.

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  3. Don’t forget “stop talking about formaldehyde.” It is true that formaldehyde in gaseous form will damage certain tissues. However, the quantity of the liquid used in vaccines is within the amount produced by the body.

    For more, including the math, see:
    http://vaccinepapers.org/formaldehyde

    Two of our strongest arguments regarding the damage vaccines cause are the aluminum salts and the molecular mimicry; mentioning the formaldehyde distracts and is very unlikely to be a problem.

    From vp dot org above:
    “So, formaldehyde is naturally present inside cells and in body fluids, even though it is toxic. Living cells prevent formaldehyde toxicity.”

    208mcg received from vaccines will increase body content by about 2.8%, to 7,558mcg. Since the half life of formaldehyde in the blood is about 1.5 minutes (and the blood is in contact with all other body tissues), this excess formaldehyde quickly disappears. The human body produces and degrades formaldehyde constantly at a rapid rate.

    It is not plausible that this mild and transient systemic increase in formaldehyde could cause health problems or affect tissues far from the injection site.”

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      1. The argument about formaldehyde is a distraction. It’s like saying ethyl mercury is non-toxic but methyl mercury is. A carcinogen is a carcinogen. I don’t agree with the VaccinePapers assessment at all. I think we have to stop saying that formaldehyde is a carcinogen when inhaled but it is safe when injected. THAT is absurd!

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  4. This article is one of the many reasons I love following your blog. Facts are always important. However, they are paramount when fighting against the mainstream. We must always be accurate or our errors will be magnified and used to discredit the true science that is absolutely in our favour. Thank you for the clarity in your writing. One thing that occurs to me, as I ponder many posts that I have read in the past, is the words “preservative” and “adjuvant” are used as if they have the same meaning. Thanks again for clarifying so many things!

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  5. another I wish that anti-vaxxers would stop saying – and I wish you had included it here! – is that “vaccine ingredients are injected directly into the bloodstream.” They are not IV solutions. They are injected into the MUSCLE and carefully administered so they are NOT injected into a vein. Please stop saying that!

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    1. So while I agree it is not going directly into the bloodstream, then how does it end up in the brain? There is blood in the muscle, why then can it not travel via the bloodstream?

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  6. Further to item 3, paragraph 2 – Thought you might like to know that there IS a flu vaccine available on the American Market – FDA approved and on their website – that contains an adjuvant. It is Fluad, which contains the controversial adjuvant squalene, MF59. It is marketed for persons 65 and older.

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  7. As to the rotavirus being the only oral vaccine, in some percentage of administrations the health care providers are injecting it. http://www.pharmacytimes.com/publications/issue/2014/december2014/oral-vaccine-mistakenly-given-by-injection
    This is an example of how absolutely ludicrous the pro-vax claim of “1 in a million” injuries is- even if vaccines were 100% safe, which no one claims, not the manufacturers, regulators, or HCP- the injection process is not, and it is fraught with numerous potential failure points. The risks include defective & contaminated product, mislabeling, improper storage, misdosing, improper reconstitution, incorrect diluent, incorrect needle & method, unsanitary procedures, medication substitution, etc. No responsible HCP would ever claim that any procedure could have a virtually perfect error rate.
    This is the definition of ” magical thinking”.

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      1. It really is, isn’t it?
        And recall that that both rotavirus vaccines were suspended due to porcine virus contamination, but then “cleared” as being safe, that it is no problem that infants are eating these persistent and still included adventitious contaminants, but did they test it for safety when injected? What happens when these viruses bypass the alimentary system and are injected?
        Again, even if vaccines were safe when used as directed, are children somehow magically protected when they are defective, or administered improperly?
        I came into this issue “sideways”, as it were- not through an injured child, but asked to look at it by a friend. I was prior sensitized to the danger of conventional medicine when a family member was harmed by medical error. The first thing that jumped out at me was that the vaccine safety claims were outrageous, and that the safety claim rates could not even begin to capture the inevitable, unavoidable errors, much less any reactions to the vaccines.
        If oral vaccines are being injected, then consider all of the conventional medication errors – dosing, preparation, substitution, etc – that are occurring, and being ignored.
        Medical error is the 3rd leading cause of mortality in the US, and medications and vaccines are a part of that. If vaccines are somehow perfect, then why isn’t pharma and the medical industry just copy and pasting these practices over to their other failing systems?

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  8. Hey Mr. Q, Thanks for this work. I have often wondered about the sources of some of these statements. We absolutely have to keep the high ground of truth , if we are going to compllain about others lack of science. By the way, though, I live in India and the Serum Institute of India produces huge amounts of vaccines and according to their info, those vaccines go all over the world. And they still contain huge amounts of mercury – sometimes double of the amount that our U.S. vaccines used to have and one of the suggestions has been – I think it was Dr. William Thompson who speculated that they had to keep some mercury in U.S. vaccines, so that they did not have to tell third world countries that ” We get to use mrcury -free vaccines, but you dont” They could still continue to say ” Mercury is safe and the U.S has put it back in their vaccines” And another interesting piece of info that I got by chance from someone who worked for the company in India that deals in Thimerosal—– Get ready – Serum Insititue of India does not use Pharmaceutical grade Thimerosal. They use Lab grade Thimerosal. ………….. Got any suggestions for where we could get some SII vaccines tested for mercury? It would not be impossible that their vaccines contain many times more than the nominal amount ! Keep up the good work , Cherry Misra

    On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 2:19 PM, Levi Quackenboss wrote:

    > Levi Quackenboss posted: ” Let’s start by saying how much I love you > guys. Really. We’re a ragtag group, all with different opinions, different > experiences, different areas of expertise, different passions, and > different ideas about how we should go about getting things d” >

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  9. Fluad was used this season.
    Oral typhoid ( Vivotif) is dispensed in the US.
    And look out for live, intranasal flu vaccine again this next flu season. It will be back.
    Also anyone, child or adult, receiving live vaccine needs to respect the requests of immunocompromised patients to stay away for up to 4-6 weeks. It is not only viral shed, these vaccines can cause the illness itself. The incubation period needs to be included in exclusion time.
    Thank you for putting this together.

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  10. Here is the real truth and the scariest truth. No one on this blog knows the totality of constituents in a vaccine vial unless they have researched the liquid in a sophisticated laboratory. For example, does anyone remember the HcG laced tetanus toxoid vaccine? Should we actually believe the ingredients on the insert?

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  11. I’ve heard there is what is considered an adjuvant dosing of thimerosal (maybe listed in some old pharma tech manual somewhere?), and I remember it being actually lower than the preservative level in the flu vaccine, but I don’t remember the exact amount or how to link to a source for that…in case anyone here is up to adding some clarifying information?

    As my eyeballs screamed (screaming itching instantly burning red reaction) at me for inserting some thimerosal laced contact lenses back in the late 80s and as long as there are contradictions like some self-reportedly vaccine experts online insisting killed virus vaccines would be no good without adjuvants (as if they are good with them), while there are no recognized adjuvants in thimerosal containing flu vaccines…I really think the representation of thimerosal as a preservative (or a rather crappy bacteriostat) falls into the basket (boatload?) of evidence that pharma is not always straightforward about some things.

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  12. Good article but it touches on an even more important aspect.

    Too much information is a bad thing. In fact, any information that the person you are discussing this issue with can’t easily verify for themselves is likely a waste of time.

    Esoteric studies and the like don’t convince anybody.

    Simple, easy to follow, logic and facts that people can readily see themselves once it is pointed out to them will resonate.

    And of course, everything has to work on an emotional level.

    Listing ingredients – even if you get it right – is largely a waste of time. Listing possible adverse reactions is probably not particularly useful either unless you can make the person easily link in their own mind to the fact that such a reaction is *likely*. There are times when such things are useful as direct responses to pro-vaxers, but as positive arguments themselves they are not particularly useful.

    There is really only 4 arguments I use.

    1) If you’re scared of germs, what the f*** are you doing visiting a doctor? The doctor is a walking Petrie dish and why would you want to be around the dozens of sick people waiting in the office? And wouldn’t it be extremely irresponsible and selfish of you to maximize your chances of being infected that way?

    2) Doctors believe vaccines work so they won’t diagnose the condition if the patient is vaccinated – so we have no way of knowing if the fall in measles, smallpox, polio etc is real or just a self-fulfilling prophecy. In fact, given that rates of paralysis have *increased* since the polio vaccine and respiratory hospitalizations have increased since the pertussis/diphtheria/flu shots it would appear as though their entire “success” is a mirage.

    3) Adverse reactions are not “one in a million” they are – according to the CDC – around one in two vaccine recipients. Your probability of being injured from a vaccine is extremely high. It is just that if your injury is something that you would consider to be serious, the doctors will pretend that it had nothing to do with the vaccine – even if the injury is just a more intense and long lasting version of an injury that doctors will admit vaccines can and do regularly cause! For example, if your child sleeps poorly for two days after their shots, doctors will accept the vaccines were the cause, but if your child sleeps poorly for 6 months after their shots, doctors will claim the vaccines had nothing to do with it. Doctors accept vaccines can cause seizures, but, astonishingly, claim they have nothing to do with epilepsy!

    4) What is the maximum safe dose of vaccines (of any kind)?

    For babies? For adults?

    And once you have stated what this number is – take them.

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  13. Whooping cough doesn’t shed? Does this not fit the criteria to be considered as “shedding”?? See article: https://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/11/26/health/study-finds-vaccinated-baboons-can-still-carry-whooping-cough.html

    Another thing antivaxxers should stop saying is that “vaccines don’t work”. Suzanne Humphries says that some vaccines are effective in reducing disease in the population, but at the cost of our health and safety. (Sorry, total paraphrase)

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  14. I thought the Flu vaccine contained 25 mcgs of Thimerosal, which is about 50% mercury. That would mean that the flu vaccine contains about 12 to 13 mcgs of mercury.

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  15. I would like to know your feelings on this quote that I have taken from an article I found.
    “After taking a Virology Course at Columbia University with Professor Rancanciello he explained to us that viruses are not dead and they are not alive, they are sequences of proteins that when they are in the vicinity of a living cell that is susceptible and receptive can and will infect and replicate. They need the cells machinery. They wouldn’t get into our bodies without that deep puncture bypassing the majority of our immune system. Not most viruses anyway.”
    I know that with your connections you could investigate this further. I find that the back and forth about this is constantly trying to prove one way or the other, but to me this piece of information makes a lot more sense, especially with how our body works.

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  16. So I have a question about this not being injected directly into the bloodstream, well that’s obvious. But it seems to me that by your remark it’s just sits in the muscle. Well that can’t be true since you have blood delivering oxygen to every part of your body and especially to the muscles. How then at some point does the vaccine not end up in the bloodstream where it can end up in the brain causing the damage that it does? I mean how are we saying it works then if it’s not in some manner ending up in the bloodstream to travel to all parts of the body doing all this damage?

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  17. Helo Levi, can you clarify this statement ”

    There is no flu vaccine on the American market that has approval for any kind of adjuvant– aluminum or otherwise.

    flu vaccines on the USA market are all the same vaccine, or were, the fluvax. All they change are the strains of the flu virus they add.

    Love the article, still reading. Thanks!

    Hope you listened to Forrest maready, You tube My incredible opinion 117, re all the birth defects Brazil, YES proven to be whooping cough vaccine. I am a researcher and one time pathologiest. I am glad he could use the information. He has a wonderful voice and great video presentation.

    Thanks!

    Angela (Eisenhauer) email address is old married name. Australia

    ________________________________

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    1. This was changed in the piece after a discussion with a commenter about the two types of squalene-based adjuvants– one is in a national stockpile but one is Fluad, which is on the market. You can read it in point 3 here.

      I’d disagree that all vaccines in the US are the same. Some are grown in egg cultures, some in dog kidneys, some have half the amount of mercury of others. They are all different, or they wouldn’t be patented.

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  18. real simple: 1. the smallpox vaccine was created by a knucklehead false doctor named jenner. 2. the smallpox vaccine failed miserably 100 years later during the great smallpox pandemic. after that mandatory went away. 3. i was vaccine-injured in 1954 way before the term vaccine injury had entered the american conscious collective. 4. had i known about the religious exemption available for all the military i would NOT have allowed the number of vaccines pressured into me by a high psi injector. so much for informed consent.5. bring back liability to vaccination and after a few pediatricians get the living s##t sued out of them this WHOLE discussion will quietly go away…

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