If I hear one more time that unvaccinated children are “unprotected” from common diseases I’m going to lose it. For crying out loud, how on Earth did the modern human race survive for 200,000 years (or 12,000 years, or whatever you choose to believe) with such a sissy immune system?
That was a trick question. Our immune systems are fine until something is injected to wreck them up. “But wait, Quack!” you say. “200,000 years ago the average lifespan was only 33! Right there is proof of how much we need vaccines!”
Vaccines for what? Drowning? Wooly mammoths? Falling out of trees? Here’s how it was in the caveman years: if you could make it to puberty, you’d live long enough to die of old age, and there ain’t no vaccine for that.
Do you know what my kid has protecting him from scary diseases?
A God-given freaking immune system. In the words of a fed-up autism mom: people who fear the unvaxed think proper nutrition is a hot pocket and a Flinstone’s vitamin.
Guess what? My kid doesn’t eat that crap. We eat real food up in here, Weston A. Price style. Grassfed meats, raw dairy, organic fruits and, if we’re feeling crazy, a couple of vegetables. He takes fish oil, probiotics, and we threw the sunscreen in the trash a long time ago. He doesn’t drink from the tap. We turn off the TV and he has to play outside like it was 1979, in the grass and everything. Just to show you what a tyrant dad I am I’ll admit this: his toys don’t take any batteries and if anybody gives him battery-operated toys they get re-gifted at a cousin’s birthday party. If he rides a scooter he has to use his very own feet to propel it forward, even if that means his pulse quickens.
“But QUACK!” you protest. “What about the immunocompromised! We must take care of our neighbors!” Look. First off, it’s a load of bull that immunocompromised kids can’t get vaccines because the CDC took them off that list a loooong time ago. They give them vaccines, then chemo, and then more vaccines when they’re out of the woods.
Secondly, you find me an immunocompromised kid who hasn’t ever been vaccinated and we’ll have a talk about how vaccines aren’t compromising the immune system but until then, keep your lips zipped. And I’m not talking about a 10 month old who had all vaccines except the MMR when I say “unvaccinated.” I mean all vaccines.
You want to know who is immunocompromised? Newborns. Tiny infants. So we respect that by injecting them with a known carcinogen (formaldehyde), a chemical that opens the blood brain barrier (polysorbate 80), an endocrine disruptor (MSG), neurotoxins (aluminum and mercury) and a slew of bacteria and viruses? How does that sludge make them healthy?
You wanted to have kids, so guess what? You need to take care of them, even if that means spending money on higher quality food, because just keeping them alive day after day isn’t cutting it. I don’t want to take care of a Wall-E population with my social security taxes.
My kid isn’t “unprotected” because he’s unvaccinated. We choose to keep his immune system intact. Unadulterated. He’s protected in a very different, much more effective, much safer way than vaccines. He’s protected in a way that isn’t causing him any side effects today, and won’t cause him any in the future. Try to get the CDC to guarantee that about vaccines.
Levi Quackenboss 
the tens of millions of american indians, and the science behind why they died upwards of 80% of the population, would probably disagree with this post. Sadly we are not all born with the same “god given immune systems”.
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Dear angry. The Indians got sick because they were given blankets used by sick people after they were moved to areas they were not native too and therefore did not know the plants to make their own medicines and were given no medical care by the US government or refused it as they were already too angry to deal with it. Vaccines would not have saved them. most of them starved to death in their new homes. Oh and also….there was not Tens of Millions of American Indians. Even by some highly inflated numbers it was probably in the 100-250 thousand range.
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This is very misguided. The diseases that killed off native Americans were centuries before the U.S. government ever existed. The actual mass deaths of the tribes from disease existed in the 1500 and 1600’s. The U.S. government wouldn’t have been in a place to provide medical care to anyone until the 1800’s. Also scholarly review disagrees greatly with you on the population of native Americans. The question is not how many millions of Indians but if it reaches hundreds of millions. It’s easy to discredit several hundred thousand generally because we are speaking of a time period of 300 years covering all of north and South America. But don’t take my word for it. At least look at scholarly answers to the amount if indians believed to be here.
http://books.google.com/books?id=NPoAQRgkrOcC&pg=PA40&dq=pre-Columbian+population+million&cd=6#v=onepage&q=pre-Columbian%20population%20million&f=false
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Read the book 1491, and its sequel, 1493. They are very informative. Actually, there were millions of people here when Columbus arrived, but diseases that came with Columbus and Pizarro, and etc, wiped out most of them before anyone landed at Jamestowne. Smallpox blankets, on the other hand, were barely used, if they weren’t simply a myth.
However, the people who were here before Europeans came are irrelevant to this discussion, as, unlike anyone dwelling here now, they had NO exposure to these diseases, no genetic resistance. In fact, there were other diseases their bodies were used to, that killed Europeans off in quantities for the same reasons: no exposure, and no genetic resistance.
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Horse manure. They died because their immune systems were naive to the smallpox virus. Where they lived and what plants were available was irrelevant as were their numbers. How many dead people are necessary for the issue to be significant?
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Very true, but perhaps explain why all of the diseases for which children were vaccinated were in decline before vaccines were developed. This decline began with improved sanitation, nutrition and hygiene where it occurred.
Also, measles was a topic of mirth on the Seventies show, The Brady Bunch. What changed? How did it morph into something akin to the Black Death today?
Why was it funny forty years ago and not funny now? Why did those born in the thirties, forties, fifties, sixties, who were not vaccinated, succumb to these childhood diseases without fear or in the main, problems? We were not terrified when our kids got measles. My parents were not terrified, neither were my grandparents? Why not?
The reason why indigenous peoples around the world died when subjected to new diseases was twofold: lack of hygiene, sanitation and often nutrition and no previous exposure to the disease.
As Louis Pasteur said: It is not the pathogen, it is the terrain.
The problem was not and is not the disease. The problem was and is the ability of the immune system to deal with it. Where there is good sanitation, hygiene and nutrition that ability is generally optimal, ergo, there is no problem.
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whats interesting is when I speak to older generations that saw the measles first hand they call us ignorant. We are too far removed from it to see people lose hearing. We haven’t seen people with the measles under there finger nails and in their mouths. The immune system talk does lack one fundamental component.
We all don’t have the same immune system.
In fact herd immunity benefits the weakest of the group. It’s a selfless society that herd immunities. It’s survival of the fitness if we don’t.
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The foundation of disease and disease outcomes is sourced in hygiene, sanitation and nutrition. I don’t know where you live but as lower working class Australians people enjoyed high levels of all three from early 1900’s.
In talking to those older generations, my experience was different to yours.
If you have been talking to people living with lower levels of hygiene, sanitation and nutrition then it is a different matter. The US does stand out as having the highest levels of poverty in the developed world and no doubt on a percentage basis, more Americans are at risk than anyone else in the developed world. And probably always have been. You had slavery, and now you have ‘legal slavery’ which is illegal workers, plus huge levels of poverty and working poor. Americans also have, on average one of the worst diets in the developed world and nutrition must therefore be at lower levels.
No, we do not all have the same immune system but it is very clear, from Government records starting in the UK in 1830, and some decades later in other developed nations, that, when you improve sanitation, hygiene and nutrition there are less epidemics, logically, and vastly higher survival rates, logically.
In other words, when the three factors are at high levels then you get optimal immune function in most people, give or take legacies of birth or lifestyle habits.
All of the diseases for which children are now vaccinated were in decline before vaccine were developed. Government records demonstrate that quite clearly.
Quote: Early in the last century, measles killed millions of people a year. Then, bit by bit in countries of the developed world, the death rate dropped, by the 1960s by 98% or more. In the U.K., it dropped by an astounding 99.96%. And then, the measles vaccine entered the market.
After the vaccine’s introduction, the measles death rate continued to drop into the 1970s. Many scientists credit the continued decline entirely to the vaccine. Other scientists believe the vaccine played a minor role, if that, noting that most infectious diseases similarly petered out during the 20th century, including some, like scarlet fever, for which vaccines were never developed.
The credit for the century-long decline, scientists generally agree, goes to improved nutrition and improved health care, side effects of the West’s growing affluence. In the U.S., the death rate dropped by about 98%, from about 10 per 100,000 population a century ago to one fifth of one person by 1963, the year measles vaccines made their American debut. Both before and after vaccination started, victims tended to be poor.
http://business.financialpost.com/2014/04/16/lawrence-solomon-the-untold-story-of-measles/
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Herd immunity doesn’t exist-never has. A.W. Hedrich measles observation had nothing to do with vaccines. His observation was in the 1933 and the killed measles vaccine wasn’t made until 1963. Live measles vaccine was made in 1968. Just on that basis alone antibody production could not be detected.
Herd immunity has no basis in vaccine-induced antibody production, it is not a scientifically validated concept, is not an immunologic idea, but rather an epidemiologic construct and cannot be applied to vaccinated communities because VACCINES were not part of the OBSERVATION. This notion was built on the understanding that children developed immunity to a disease after suffering from it. Nowadays, we are told that vaccines can achieve the same. If we vaccinate the bulk of the herd, we can achieve herd immunity. Interestingly, the magic number has gone from 50% to 68% and is now 95%! Vaccination campaigns are aimed at reaching 95% compliance. However outbreaks of childhood illnesses are happening in highly vaccinated communities:
Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011,” the groundbreaking study acknowledged that, “Measles may occur in vaccinated individuals, but secondary transmission from such individuals has not been documented.” Clin Infect Dis. (2014) 58 (9): 1205-1210 first published online February 27, 2014. Studies Show that Vaccinated Individuals Spread Disease.
Sciencemag.org article from April 2014 titled “Measles Outbreak Traced to Fully Vaccinated Patient for First Time.”
Titled, “Outbreak of Measles Among Persons With Prior Evidence of Immunity, New York City, 2011,
“Of 88 contacts, four secondary cases were confirmed that had either two doses of measles-containing vaccine or a past positive measles IgG antibody. All cases had laboratory confirmation of measles infection, clinical symptoms consistent with measles, and high avidity IgG antibody characteristic of a secondary immune response.”
Their remarkable conclusion:
“This is the first report of measles transmission from a twice vaccinated individual. The clinical presentation and laboratory data of the index were typical of measles in a naïve individual. Secondary cases had robust anamnestic antibody responses. No tertiary cases occurred despite numerous contacts. This outbreak underscores the need for thorough epidemiologic and laboratory investigation of suspected measles cases regardless of vaccination status.”
Did you follow that? A twice-vaccinated individual, from a NYC measles outbreak, was found to have transmitted measles to four of her contacts, two of which themselves had received two doses of MMR vaccine and had prior presumably protective measles IgG antibody results.
This phenomenon — the MMR vaccine compliant infecting other MMR vaccine compliant cases – has been ignored by health agencies and the media.
-Difficulties in eliminating measles and controlling rubella and mumps: a cross-sectional study of a first measles and rubella vaccination and a second measles, mumps, and rubella vaccination. PLoS One. 2014 ;9(2):e89361. Epub 2014 Feb 20. PMID: 24586717
*China has one of the most vaccination compliant populations in the world. In fact, measles vaccine is mandatory. So why have they had over 700 measles outbreaks from 2009 and 2012 alone? The reported coverage of the measles-rubella (MR) or measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is greater than 99.0% in Zhejiang province. However, the incidence of measles, mumps, and rubella remains high.”
More examples:
-Measles Outbreak in 99.7% Vaccinated Population:
In A Highly Vaccinated Population Modes Of Transmission And Risk Factors For Disease. Am J Epidemiol 1989;129:173-82.
-Measles Vaccine Failure Amongst 98% Vaccinated Student Population:
Hull HF, Montes JM, Hays PC, Lucero RL. Risk factors for measles vaccine failure among immunized students. Pediatrics. 1985 Oct;76(4):518-23.
-Mild Measles and Secondary Vaccine Failure In A Highly Vaccinated Population:
Edmonson MB, Addiss DG, McPherson JT, Berg JL, Circo SR, Davis JP. Department of Pediatrics, University of Wisconsin, Madison 53792. Mild measles and secondary vaccine failure during a sustained outbreak in a highly vaccinated population. JAMA. 1990 May 9;263(18):2467-71.
-The 1993 epidemic of pertussis in Cincinnati. Resurgence of disease in a highly immunized population of children.
Christie CD1, Marx ML, Marchant CD, Reising SF. N Engl J Med. 1994 Jul 7;331(1):16-21.
CONCLUSIONS: Since the 1993 pertussis epidemic in Cincinnati occurred primarily among children who had been appropriately immunized, it is clear that the whole-cell pertussis vaccine failed to give full protection against the disease.
-Chickenpox outbreak in a highly vaccinated school population. 97% Vaccinated.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih (dot) gov/pubmed/14993534
–Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures. Am J Public Health. 1987 April; 77(4): 434–438. An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent
Herd Immunity: Can Mass Vaccination Achieve It?
by Tetyana Obukhanych, PhD
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part.2
“the Holy Grail of the vaccine proponents – herd immunity. This concept is based upon the idea that 95% (and some now say 100%) of the population must be vaccinated to prevent an epidemic. The percentages needing vaccination grows progressively. I pondered this question for some time before the answer hit me. Herd immunity is mostly a myth and applies only to natural immunity – that is, contracting the infection itself.
Is Herd Immunity Real?
In the original description of herd immunity, the protection to the population at large occurred only if people contracted the infections naturally. The reason for this is that naturally-acquired immunity lasts for a lifetime. The vaccine proponents quickly latched onto this concept and applied it to vaccine-induced immunity. But, there was one major problem – vaccine-induced immunity lasted for only a relatively short period, from 2 to 10 years at most, and then this applies only to humoral immunity. This is why they began, silently, to suggest boosters for most vaccines, even the common childhood infections such as chickenpox, measles, mumps, and rubella.
Then they discovered an even greater problem, the boosters were lasting for only 2 years or less. This is why we are now seeing mandates that youth entering colleges have multiple vaccines, even those which they insisted gave lifelong immunity, such as the MMR. The same is being suggested for full-grown adults. Ironically, no one in the media or medical field is asking what is going on. They just accept that it must be done.
That vaccine-induced herd immunity is mostly myth can be proven quite simply. When I was in medical school, we were taught that all of the childhood vaccines lasted a lifetime. This thinking existed for over 70 years. It was not until relatively recently that it was discovered that most of these vaccines lost their effectiveness 2 to 10 years after being given. What this means is that at least half the population, that is the baby boomers, have had no vaccine-induced immunity against any of these diseases for which they had been vaccinated very early in life. In essence, at least 50% or more of the population was unprotected for decades.
If we listen to present-day wisdom, we are all at risk of resurgent massive epidemics should the vaccination rate fall below 95%. Yet, we have all lived for at least 30 to 40 years with 50% or less of the population having vaccine protection. That is, herd immunity has not existed in this country for many decades and no resurgent epidemics have occurred. Vaccine-induced herd immunity is a lie used to frighten doctors, public-health officials, other medical personnel, and the public into accepting vaccinations.
Dr. Blaylock is a board-certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU School of Medicine in New Orleans, Louisiana and completed his internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, South Carolina.
http://therefusers (dot) com/?s=russell+blaylock
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” perhaps explain why all of the diseases for which children were vaccinated were in decline before vaccines were developed. ”
That’s easy. They weren’t. The morbidity rate of (for example) measles remained exactly the same up until a vaccine for it was introduced, and then plummeted in the decade following. That pattern is repeated for every single vaccine-preventable disease. Every. Single. One.
While it is true that the mortality rate of these diseases was dropping, this shouldn’t be a surprise; medical care stated getting noticeably better in the first half of the 20th century. But it wasn’t due to nutrition and sanitation; it was, primarily, antibiotics.
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The Native American population had zero acquired immunity for the many novel viruses and bacteria to which they had never been exposed that were imported from Europe. That’s why it hit so hard. Even today, when we’re hit with a novel pathogen, we are just as screwed, for example, with HIV, Ebola. But now, even HIV is not nearly as deadly. The science and evolution of disease are actually counter-intuitive. The most deadly strains of any given disease will die with the host and over time the disease weakens and becomes less fatal, not more fatal. Even the Black Plague ended without a vaccine.
My grandmother had every strain of the measles there is. She also had the mumps, rubella, and the tricking small pox. She lived to be 92.
Since we are basically hobbling our immune systems with vaccines and/or pesticides via GMOs, we are ripe for an epidemic from a novel disease. The rampant auto-immune disfunction we see in every playground is kind of terrifying. If we have an outbreak of a novel pathogen, those with the strongest functioning immune systems will fare much better than those who have not exercised their immune system in the way it has evolved to function. That’s the actual science. Vaccines are faith-based medicine, much more akin to voodoo. If you don’t believe me, go find that study that shows how any given vaccine was tested for safety or efficacy over time and against a proper control group with a proper placebo. (Hint: you can’t. There aren’t any.)
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It is unethical to do a controlled study with a placebo group once a vaccine has been demonstrated to work. Would never pass IRB.
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Ian, your comment makes no sense. There are no properly controlled studies, before or after approval. For example, the DTaP was tested against the DTP as a “placebo,” one of the worst and most damaging vaccines in the modern vaccine era. That was BEFORE it was approved, in that window of time when people ASSUME that it’s being given a real test of safety. Is it better than the DTP? I assume so. But that ain’t saying much.
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[several citations needed]
Question: how would you design a controlled study? Give half the group the vaccine, the other half a placebo, and then give everyone pertussis?
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Ian Howell
BS. That lame excuse has passed away. Unethical????? But it’s not unethical to inject children with toxins and poisons that have never been demonstrate to be effective or safe by any Independent studies. There are NO Gold standard studies done on any vaccine. The CDC doesn’t even use that excuse about it being unethical to do a study comparing unvaccinated -vaccinated children’s health. The CDC know what the outcome will be which is why they won’t do it. Other countries have done such studies and it clear Unvaccinated children are healthier. There are enough children in the US who are vaccine free to do such a study plus families from other countries have offered the heath data on their children who are vaccine free if enough children in the US can’t be found. The late Dr. Mayer Einstein’s practice is Chicago ha a minimum of 50,000 or more vaccine free children. The Amish has a significant percentage of unvaccinated as well as other groups. The study can be done but the CDC/Vaccine industry knows that it would have to be done by a INDEPENDENT group because of their sleazy history of manipulating study data:
My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998. I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed: http://www.morganverkamp (dot) com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/ and http://www.naturalnews (dot) com/046630_CDC_whistleblower_public_confession_Dr_William_Thompson.html
In a video posted here, Dr. William Thompson accused the CDC of more than a decade of cover-ups regarding the link between vaccines and childhood autism.https://vimeo (dot) com/user5503203/review/106398908/44f9634e1b
“CDC is paralyzed; the whole system is paralyzed right now,” Thompson is heard telling Dr. Brian Hooker, Ph.D., during a phone conversation. “The whole branch is paralyzed, and it’s become more paralyzed. So., there’s less, and less, and less being done, as the place just comes to a grinding halt.”
He went on to say that the CDC has put research “10 years behind.”
“Because the CDC has not been transparent,” he added, “we’ve missed 10 years of research, because the CDC is so paralyzed right now by anything related to autism.
“Really, what they [the CDC] need is for Congress to come in and, you know, say, ‘give us the data, and we’re going to have an independent contractor do it,’ then bring in the autism advocates and have them intimately involved in the studies.”
The CDC and the Pharmetutical companies will not agree to any study that they don’t have full control over the results. So again,the excuse of it being unethical is pure unadulterated BS.
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elnura1- You and a few other people here seem to have done a tremendous amount of research in the favor of NOT vaccinating. I have been meaning to sit down and go through all of your posts and gather all of your citations and links together, but have not had time as of yet. I think you would do a great service for those of us in the anti-vaccination crowd if you posted your findings somewhere cohesive. It seems you have most of them at the ready as is. You may want to remain anonymous, which is fine, but I think an anonymous blog account somewhere would be satisfactory. It would be nice to have some really good talking points to refer to when you do have to encounter the inevitable big-mouthed, know-it-all, drug pusher. Just a thought. Perhaps this is too big of a task to tackle or there are other hurdles I have not forseen. Thanks.
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Hi again Elnural,
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You’re welcome to not understand how studies are structured and scientists think; I’m just telling you that it would be unethical (from a medical stand point) to intentionally give someone a disease and only give them a placebo so that we can test longterm outcomes vs a vaccinated person. Short of that, there is no possible way to do a Gold standard study. All we can do is analyze data. Studies have been done that look at vax vs unvax populations that demonstrate that unvaccinated children tend to get sick when exposed to preventable diseases and autism does not occur at a higher rate in the vaccinated population. I don’t know what else could be done? How would you structure your perfect study?
The CDC whistleblower story you mention is on snopes.
Be well,
~Ian
p.s. please don’t copy and paste an insanely long response that you haven’t thoroughly read the science about (and that means the scientific community, not an outlier that doesn’t speak for the consensus.) I know you mean well, but it’s exhausting and doesn’t prove anything to anyone who understands the material. Seriously, how can the NSA not be able to keep a lid on a covert domestic spying program, yet big pharma and the CDC have managed to secretly collude to poison our children with vaccines that don’t even turn a significant profit? Now, heart medicine and viagra… I suspect that’s where the motivation to falsify studies is :-).
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Snopes….? yawn…..
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why “yawn” snopes? one of my bigger issues with the anti-vaxx crowd is the sole belief that the sources against the anti-vaxx crowd are either backed by big mean corporations or just completely discredited. snopes has not vested interest in anything.
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It’s hard to trust Snopes when they were “debunking” a myth that dining a certain amount of water could help keep a person young and reverse signs of aging. I don’t believe just water has all that power. ..but Snopes also made the claim that as long as you are drinking when you are thirsty, you are getting enough fluid. From personal experience. ..and many doctors…I know that is not true. I have found myself with painful UTI’s because I only drank when I was thirsty. That’s just one I’ve found, there have been many more. Is there a Snopes for Snopes?
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oh so you dislike snopes for the same reason almost all people get vaccinations can’t stand the anti vaxx rhetoric. having a blog discredit what most doctors say is science. makes sense.
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jakartah
-http://experimentalvaccines (dot)org/
-http://www.vacfacts (dot) info/index.html
-http://whale.to/index (dot) html
-http://www.thinktwice (dot) com/
-http://vaxtruth (dot) org
-http://healthimpactnews (dot) com
Health Impact has multiple site attached to it:
Vaccine Impact & Medical Kidnapping
-http://www.activistpost (dot) com/
-http://neue-medizin (dot) com/lanka2.htm Viral Fraud
-http://unhoodwinked (dot) com/ Credible Sources Citing the Dangers of Vaccination
-http://vaccinechoicecanada (dot) com/
-“A shot of Truth” is under maintenance so keep this in the back of your mind
-http://reaids.com/fearoftheinvisible (dot) com/ Fear of the Invisible
-http://deathbyvaccination (dot) com/ Death by Vaccination-kinda of jumbled but a good resource.
-http://www.ageofautism (dot) com/ Age of Autism
-http://www.educate4theinjured (dot) org/ Educate In honor of the Vaccine Injured
-http://vaccineresistancemovement (dot) org/?p=13481 VRM: Measles Report « Vaccine Resistance Movement.
These are very well researched and documented sites. Heavy with citations from government and independent researchers. There are more but too much information at one time can be overwhelming. When I began researching drugs years ago what helped me was following the links on various sites. So that’s another option. Hope these are helpful.
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angrysportsblogger it was PLUMBING that cured that NOT immunizations. The brainwashing of the masses! Yes washing helps! lol Ask questions and find answers or be of the herd PRO CHOICE! http://wakeup-world.com/2015/04/30/how-plumbing-not-vaccines-eradicated-disease-2/
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Yes because they drank polio infested sewage water. Tragic no doubt, but we don’t have that problem in America.
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anonymous,
do you not think this comment is pompous and patronising?
You said: Improperly educated individuals are making improper and dangerous decisions.
Do you have any understanding of when, where, how a movement began to question vaccinations? It does not sound like it. It began with parents who had seen children damaged and then began to research and ask questions. Why is that improper?
And studies show that group constitutes the most education segments of societies so how are they improperly education?
In addition, the fact that vaccine damage compensation programmes have been set up by Governments is an indicator that vaccine damage is not imagined, it is real.
So, we can agree there are cases of vaccine damage. Sure, it might be a minority, but real enough. And we can agree that parents questioning are not improperly educated and are not making improper decisions from their perspective? Freedom of choice in a free world.
Which takes us to dangerous decisions? For whom? Them? Well that is their choice. For the vaccinated? How can that be, when vaccines either work or they do not and if you are vaccinated you are protected? So where is the danger?
As to me supposedly making your points in previous posts, I think your capacity to process information might be inferior to that of many parents questioning vaccination.
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Early in the last century, measles killed millions of people a year. Then, bit by bit in countries of the developed world, the death rate dropped, by the 1960s by 98% or more. In the U.K., it dropped by an astounding 99.96%. And then, the measles vaccine entered the market.
http://business.financialpost.com/…/lawrence-solomon-the-u…/
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Dear Ian,
Your questions don’t sound like attacks, they just sound like questions from someone who has a very closed mind and who considers anyone who thinks differently, a fool.
And shocking as it may sound, the only time I ‘paste’ is when I preface with Quote: The rest is mine and if articulation offends you then that is your problem.
Hep B. is mainly sexually transmitted and I think I said earlier to someone else, I have known three adults who developed the disease – two sexually active in the Third World and one from a blood transfusion.
Now, given that in my children’s generation, my generation, my parents etc., extended family, quite some hundreds given past birth rates, there was no-one who developed Hep B., I think it is safe to say that the risk is rathe over-rated by the vaccine convention.
Infection is everywhere and always has been. It is impossible to create an infection-free zone. The only true resistance is from an optimal immune system. Even Pasteur said, it I not the pathogen, but the terrain.
From the moment of birth there is blood, shit, pathogens, bacteria etc., everywhere including the air we breathe, particularly in places like Bombay where I have lived. Try reading Lyall Watson’s, Heaven’s Breath if you want to know what is in the air you breathe.
And what happens? Our body handles it. Just as it handled the miniscule exposure to Hep B in every generation up until recent decades.
Diseases are dangerous, or can be and the only protection is an optimal immune function. Science/medicine is beginning to realise how much it gets wrong on that count and the destructive nature of its materialist/reductionist mindset.
Our bodies are host to countless bacteria which keep us well and look how modern medicine has worked to destroy that protection:
unnecessary C-sections where the baby is cut out and thereby has less of its healthy bacteria than it needs and has compromised gut function which leads to compromised immune function and can impact brain function. Wait to see electives disappear as the first doctors get sued.
overuse and abuse of antibiotics, the word means anti-life, where the good bacteria we need to get well and stay well are killed in something akin to the napalm bombing of Vietnam.
overuse and abuse of anti-bacterial products, cleaning and personal, which kill more of that which keeps us well.
and into the pot goes vaccines, more challenges for largely compromised immune function.
By the way, did you read this? Your thoughts on it:
Quote:Early in the last century, measles killed millions of people a year. Then, bit by bit in countries of the developed world, the death rate dropped, by the 1960s by 98% or more. In the U.K., it dropped by an astounding 99.96%. And then, the measles vaccine entered the market.
After the vaccine’s introduction, the measles death rate continued to drop into the 1970s. Many scientists credit the continued decline entirely to the vaccine. Other scientists believe the vaccine played a minor role, if that, noting that most infectious diseases similarly petered out during the 20th century, including some, like scarlet fever, for which vaccines were never developed.
In the pre-vaccine era, when the natural measles virus infected the entire population, measles — “typically a benign childhood illness,” as Clinical Pediatrics described it — was welcomed for providing lifetime immunity, thus avoiding dangerous adult infections. In today’s vaccine era, adults have accounted for one quarter to one half of measles cases; most of them involve pneumonia, one-quarter of them hospitalization.
Also importantly, measles during pregnancies have risen dangerously because expectant mothers no longer have lifetime immunity. Today’s vaccinated expectant mothers are at risk because the measles vaccine wanes with time and because it often fails to protect against measles.
http://business.financialpost.com/2014/04/16/lawrence-solomon-the-untold-story-of-measles/
The issue is not how many are damaged by vaccines, but the miracle of how many survive medical treatments. Just.
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Hi RosRoss,
I don’t want us to lose focus on the specific question I’m asking you. Hep B can be transmitted sexually, however that is not the same as being an exclusively sexually transmitted disease. The fact that prior to the development of the Hep B vaccine, non-sexually active children of mothers without Hep B became infected (and faced increased risks of serious complications later in life) attests to this. Your n=3 survey is undoubtable true for those three adult, and also only anecdotal. Focusing just on this issue, do you see how it makes sense (given the extremely low risk of any complications) to vaccinate infants against Hep B? Especially given that infants have an immune system, and the vaccine itself is just a single protein of the virus (not the virus itself).
Leaving the broad conversation about vaccines, immunity, evidence-based medicine, and hygiene aside for just a moment (we can definitely address each in time), if evidence supports that what I write *specifically* about both Hep B and the Hep B vaccine is true, would you incorporate that information into your worldview?
Sincerely,
Ian
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Dear Ian,
I note you did not comment regarding the information on measles, particularly the data showing that vaccines made it worse. I take it that you have no answer for unpleasant facts.
At the end of the day, I have one core position, freedom of choice. I truly do not care if someone opts to use their child like a pincushion – that is their business. I merely support freedom of choice.
Beyond that core position, I find vaccination theory deeply flawed and the delusional concept that constantly injecting small babies with toxic cocktails of disease, can in any way be good for them, a profound error of judgement made because science/medicine is crippled by its materialist/reductionist mindset.
There are just so many diseases. Is the plan to vaccinate for all of them? Not just fifty or so vaccines, but in a small child’s life a hundred, two hundred? When does one stop.
We both know that Hep B was not a major threat to most individuals in times past and even there, he same principles apply – optimal nutrition, hygiene and sanitation are what keep babies, children and adults well. The vaccines are simply unnecessary. If vaccines had been kept to minimal levels and not turned into a profit-driven industry I doubt we would be having this conversation. But they have not and their increasingly experimental and more is more approach is doing great harm to enough children to make enough parents deeply concerned.
Understanding the potential threat that Hep B might be, could be, is for a baby in certain circumstances still does not justify vaccination. That is the point.
I do not have a worldview. I have information which includes anything you have said. We just reach different outcomes. You live in a place of fear and possibly ignorance as to how the human body works and you clearly put all your faith into science/medicine and accept anything you are told because, I presume it makes sense to you and makes you feel safe. I do not.
I question everything and given the insanities, destructive insanities, perpetrated in the name of science/medicine, and the potential impact it might have on my health, I question science/medicine even more.
What you believe, what science/medicine currently believes, although that will change; what Governments believe, what most people n society currently believe – although that will change, is, at the end of the day irrelevant.
I don’t think vaccines work and consider them as administered now to be dangerous to children in particular. Some others share that view. There will never be compulsory forced vaccination, never 99% worldwide vaccination rates, so really, accepting what is, and just getting on with it, and letting others do the same, is the only rational approach.
Don’t you think?
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Hi RosRoss, I’m happy to discuss the connection of public hygiene and the fall of rates of transmission of disease (measles and others). I’m just trying to keep this thread from fragmenting so that we might actually address each issue. A single mistaken assumption can snowball quickly into a flawed bigger picture. And of course you have world view :-). We all do. That’s not a bad thing, so long as it adapts to new evidence.
I do know that there used to be thousands of children every year who would contract hepatitis B through no fault of their own. Just because they didn’t die immediately and instead become chronically ill, it does not follow that we should not guard them against the infection if we have the tools. Perhaps we can’t actually have a conversation about this seemingly innocuous disease without having a more broad conversation about the nature of the immune system. You do seem to think, and please correct me if I’ve misunderstood this, that the the human immune system should be able to fight off any pathogen without any medical intervention. I also think that you believe that immunity conferred on a person from an active infection from the live pathogen is universally superior to one from a vaccine, regardless of any potential side effects from the disease. Is this correct?
I’m not sure which portion of this you would like to pick up on and discuss first, but I would appreciate it if we could focus on one at a time please.
Sincerely,
Ian
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Dear Ian,
Seeking to control conversations, particularly online threads, is about as flawed a policy as vaccination. In other words, it does not work.
All for which one can hope is that there is an exchange of information and when issues raised they are addressed.
You opted to ignore the information regarding measles, which, by the way, was salient not because of improved hygiene etc., but because vaccination in fact created more problems and major problems, and given the decline in the disease, was unnecessary anyway.
I agree, a single mistaken assumption can snowball quickly into a flawed bigger picture and that is a perfect description of the entire vaccination theory and practice.
Since I am not sure what you define as a worldview then it is hard to say if, by your criteria, I have a world view. What is a worldview? Is it a position one takes in approaching life?
If so, then my worldview would be this: I take a ‘spiritual’ perspective on life in that I believe there is more at work than the purely material and life is most successfully lived when that is taken into account. Under no circumstances does ‘spiritual’ have anything to do with religion. It purely means that life is lived from a perspective of the physical and the metaphysical; the material and the immaterial; the known and the unknown.
This philosophy means that everything is embraced, which includes the best of materialistic science/medicine. My view is also that one believes absolutely nothing one is told as a given and if common sense, reason and logic raise questions then one finds answers to those questions. If the answers run counter to what most others believe or systems like science or medicine dictate, then, if they make sense, demonstrate efficacy when put in practice, then they are the correct answers for me.
So, what is your worldview?
I am sure there are thousands of children every year who would contract Hepatitis B but there are now millions in the US alone who are autistic. Which would you say is the greater problem? We also have higher rates of chronic and serious disease in general and more so in children.
We also have a million dying every year of malaria, mostly children. Now, since much of the world originally suffered from malarial mosquitoes including Europe, UK and North America, but the disease was controlled with not medicine, but engineering practices, and vastly improved where nutrition, hygiene and sanitation were optimal, one could argue that malaria was of far greater concern to the world in general than Hep B. However, at the end of the day, health comes from a healthy body.
You said: You do seem to think, and please correct me if I’ve misunderstood this, that the human immune system should be able to fight off any pathogen without any medical intervention.
I will correct your egregious generalisation. Such a statement as presented is foolish. If you had qualified it as:
‘the human immune system when functioning optimally can, in most cases, fight off any pathogen, with no more than minor support, i.e. rest, fluid, supportive medications like Homeopathy, acupuncture or possibly painkillers, and a highly nutritious and easily digested diet.’
Clearly the ability of the organism to fight off any pathogens will be dependent, as Louis Pasteur said, ‘on the terrain.’ In other words there are all sorts of factors which can compromise the ‘terrain’, but yes, in optimal situations, the body can and does do the work.
As to naturally acquired immunity, it is not my ‘belief’ but scientific fact which demonstrates such superiority, i.e. I refer you back to the article on measles where, naturally acquired, there is life-long immunity and therefore no risk of contracting the disease as an adult where it is more dangerous, while vaccine acquired ‘immunity’ is not true immunity since it is temporary.
And ‘regardless of the potential side effects, certainly, since in most of those termed childhood diseases there are none. I had them all, my four siblings had them all, my parents had them all and beyond my mother being very ill with diphtheria , but recovering, my father with polio but recovering, there were no side effects.
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Hi RosRoss,
Come now, be nice :-). I lay out my point of view below, and suggest a series of questions that we should try to address. If you are not interested in having this conversation that’s totally fine; no harm no foul. If anyone else would like to take this up for RosRoss, that’s great too.
I’m not particularly seeking to control anything. I’m hoping to engage you in a meaningful conversation to clarify some issues that I believe you are misinformed about, despite your having read and self-educated yourself a good deal. If we throw out 18 topics at once, other reader’s eyes will glaze over and we run the risk of presuming the validity of a smaller conclusion because of the broad sweep of our overall perspectives. If you’re interested in having a conversation about specific questions of substance, I’m your guy. However, we cannot start from the conclusion that vaccines are full of diseases and poisonous toxins, that correlation equals causation, and that the medical field as a whole is corrupt. No credible study suggests these things to be true, and that frame makes a discussion of the truth of any one item impossible. If you disagree, I will give you all the time you need to try to convince me.
I’m glad for the chance to reflect on my worldview; thx for asking :-). My worldview has evolved over the course of my life. I used to be very paranoid about vaccines, and got most of my information from non-academic, non peer-reviewed websites. After educating myself, and changing my sources to those that are held in high esteem by the scientific community, I changed my mind. I still think that “this is not all there is.” Obviously something metaphysical is going on, even just in the nature of consciousness. However, my current worldview is influenced by the following: I respect high levels of education. Not authority, education. If a toxicologist has to go to school for 6 years to get a PhD, or an infectious diseases or pathology research MD has to go through 10 years of school (MD, Residency, Fellowship), I am going to defer to their opinion. When the vast majority of these trained professionals all agree about vaccines, I give that perspective significant weight. Not because I blindly accept authority, but because my own, limited understanding of nature and biology (and my significant knowledge base in my own specialty field) tells me that reality is full of counter-intuitive, common-sense-violating paradoxes. This doesn’t make us stupid if we don’t immediately understand them. It just means that well-placed concern and the application of common sense doesn’t always help one to understand the nature of reality.
The body may not be a machine, but it functions according to chemical and mechanical processes. It is constantly churning at the cellular level to struggle to keep the body (within the body’s environment) in a state of balance. This is called “homeostasis,” which is a great word :-). This certainly leaves space for the “why?” Why is it doing that? What is the source of this drive to live? Perhaps that is our spiritual element. But you don’t even have to form an opinion on that to recognize that the reason drugs (let’s say the pain killers you mention above) work is that they exploit specific, universally present mechanisms in the body. If that is mechanistic, then sure, at least in a sense the body is a machine. But so what? It’s an incredible machine that carries my soul through this world :-).
But above all, I believe that science is *not* a belief system. Science is a process that only seeks to tell us what we can know not to be true, and what is most likely to be true. So one can’t take the “best” from science. What survives in the research and peer review process, and thus is published as papers with conclusions, is already the “best” that the scientific process has to offer. Nonscientists are not qualified to make further distinctions. The conflict of interest issue is worth addressing. However, the fact that these associations are disclosed openly leads me to not be concerned by them.
So I would propose the following list of topics (please add anything you like) to address one by one, with reputable sources. No rush; let’s do this right 🙂 This way you don’t have to suggest that I’m dodging or conceding points:
1) Q: Is an infant’s immune system present at birth, or only given to the infant through breast milk? A: No. We both agree that an infant is born with conferred maternal immunity.
2) Q: Is Hep B an exclusively sexually transmitted disease? A:
3) Q: Based on answer to question 2, is it appropriate to vaccinate infants with the Hep B vaccine? A:
4) Q: What is the definition of the word “toxin.” A:
5) Q: Does the Hep B vaccine contain a disease or toxins? A:
6) Q: What are the complications of measles? A:
7) Q: What was the impact of improved sanitation on the rate of morbidity and mortality from infectious diseases in the 19th and 20th c.? What role did vaccines play in any changes in these rates? A:
8) Q: If on receives a vaccine, they’re immune, right? What do they care if i don’t get vaccinated? It’s my choice with my body. A:
9) Q: Is natural immunity always superior to vaccine conferred immunity? A:
9)….TBA
Sincerely, Ian
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This is still no reason for giving all newborns hep B vaccinations. The mothers are tested during routine prenatal testing. Vaccinate the babies whose mothers are positive. Science, please. IME, doctors treat vaccination in a fashion more suited to religion. I had to get obnoxious to keep my sick, unable to breathe on her own, premie, from being given a hep B vaccine upon arrival in the NICU. Vaccines are contraindicated when a child is ill, so wanting to give one to a sick newborn is in no way science.
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Hep B vaccine was also responsible for infecting gay men in California with the HIV when it was first distributed:
The Pre-AIDS Gay Hepatitis B Experiments (1978-1981)
As the SVCP was winding down, thousands of gay men were signing up as guinea pigs for government-sponsored hepatitis B vaccine experiments in New York, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. In a few years these cities would become the epicenters for “gay-related immune deficiency syndrome, ” later known as AIDS.
Could virus-contaminated vaccines lie at the root of AIDS? In the early 1970s the hepatitis B vaccine was developed in chimpanzees, now widely accepted as the animal from which HIV supposedly evolved. To this day, some people are fearful about taking the hepatitis B vaccine because of its original connection to gay men and AIDS; and older physicians remember the original experimental hepatitis vaccine was made from the pooled blood serum of hepatitis-infected homosexuals.
Was HIV “introduced” into gays during these vaccine trials when thousands of homosexuals were injected in New York beginning in 1978, and in the West Coast cities in 1980-1981?
AIDS first erupted in gays living in New York City in 1979 a few months after the experiment began in Manhattan. The astounding and statistically significant fact is that 20% of the gay men who volunteered for the hepatitis B experiment in New York were discovered to be HIV-positive in 1980 (a year before AIDS became “official” in 1981). This would mean that Manhattan men had the highest incidence of HIV anywhere in the world, including Africa, the supposed birthplace of HIV and AIDS. The fact is that definite, proven cases of AIDS in Africa would not appear until 1982.
Some researchers are convinced that these vaccine experiments served as the vehicle through which HIV was “introduced” into the gay population in America. Nevertheless, AIDS scientists have downplayed any connection of AIDS with the vaccine. My own extensive research into the hepatitis B experiments is presented in AIDS and the Doctors of Death: An Inquiry into the Origin of the AIDS Epidemic, published in 1988. Also included in this book is evidence suggesting “patient
Zero” story of 1987, which claimed a promiscuous gay Canadian airline steward brought AIDS to America. Montagnier “is doubtful that the American epidemic could have developed from a single patient.”
Montagnier admits that he stands apart from Robert Gallo on many matters. In a mind-blowing statement he declares “Gallo was not a medical doctor, but rather a biochemist by training. His limited experience with viruses at the time perhaps explains his misinterpretations and the contaminations that occurred in his laboratory.” ( Gallo has always declared himself as a physician. If he is not, then we certainly do have a conspiracy problem on our hands.)
What is obvious from their authored books is that while the continent of Africa dies, these two top scientists in AIDS research continue their vendetta in print, and continue to promote their own pet theories on the origin of HIV and AIDS to an adoring scientific community.
The Secret Origin of AIDS and HIV: How scientists produced the most horrifying plague of all time – and then covered it up. Alan Cantwell Jr., M.D. copyright 2000
Also Hep B is suspected in the rise in infant mortality in the US. The US has one of the highest 1st day infant mortality rates in the world. What have they been injecting babies right after they are born-Hep B.
U.S. has highest first-day infant mortality out of industrialized world, group reports
http://www.cbsnews (dot) com/news/us-has-highest-first-day-infant-mortality-out-of-industrialized-world-group-reports/
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In the 1970’s a heap of kids coming down with measles was the subject of laughter in the popular television show, The Brady Bunch.
Fast forward to 2015 – the mere mention of measles now has people hysterical as if it were the Black Death?
What changed?
Quote: Early in the last century, measles killed millions of people a year. Then, bit by bit in countries of the developed world, the death rate dropped, by the 1960s by 98% or more. In the U.K., it dropped by an astounding 99.96%. And then, the measles vaccine entered the market.
After the vaccine’s introduction, the measles death rate continued to drop into the 1970s. Many scientists credit the continued decline entirely to the vaccine. Other scientists believe the vaccine played a minor role, if that, noting that most infectious diseases similarly petered out during the 20th century, including some, like scarlet fever, for which vaccines were never developed.
The credit for the century-long decline, scientists generally agree, goes to improved nutrition and improved health care, side effects of the West’s growing affluence. In the U.S., the death rate dropped by about 98%, from about 10 per 100,000 population a century ago to one fifth of one person by 1963, the year measles vaccines made their American debut. Both before and after vaccination started, victims tended to be poor.
A study in the American Journal of Public Health, “Measles mortality in the United States 1971-1975,” found the measles death rate to be almost 10 times higher among families whose median income was less than $5,000 than among families whose income exceeded a modest $10,000. Families outside metropolitan areas, who tended to have poor healthcare, had three times the death rate.
An earlier, landmark study in the American Journal of Epidemiology by the Center for Disease Control’s Roger Barkin found similar disturbing results of measles’ toll on the disadvantaged. Here race entered the picture because black children were disproportionately victimized, not by the measles virus per se but by poverty. A poor black child and a poor white child had the same high chance of dying from measles, but because white children rarely lived in abject poverty, measles claimed the blacks.
Measles didn’t only discriminate by income — in another study, Barkin found that children with underlying diseases were particularly vulnerable, and that the “majority of this group were physically or mentally retarded, or both.” The realization that measles was selective in whom it killed led Barkin to emphasize that vulnerable populations, rather than the general population, should be targeted for measles vaccination.
In the pre-vaccine era, when the natural measles virus infected the entire population, measles — “typically a benign childhood illness,” as Clinical Pediatrics described it — was welcomed for providing lifetime immunity, thus avoiding dangerous adult infections. In today’s vaccine era, adults have accounted for one quarter to one half of measles cases; most of them involve pneumonia, one-quarter of them hospitalization.
Also importantly, measles during pregnancies have risen dangerously because expectant mothers no longer have lifetime immunity. Today’s vaccinated expectant mothers are at risk because the measles vaccine wanes with time and because it often fails to protect against measles.
A study in Houston of 12 pregnant women and one who had just given birth, all of whom had measles, found one died, seven suffered pneumonia and seven hepatitis, four went through premature labour and one lost her child in a spontaneous abortion. A study of eight measles pregnancies in Japan found three ended in spontaneous abortions or stillbirths while four babies were born with congenital measles; two mothers endured pneumonia and one hemorrhagic shock. A Los Angeles study of 58 such pregnancies found 21 ended prematurely (three induced abortions, five spontaneous abortions and 13 preterm deliveries); 35 of the 58 mothers were hospitalized, 15 contracted pneumonia, and two died.
The danger extends to babies, whose bodies are too immature to receive measles vaccination before age one, making them entirely dependent on antibodies inherited from their mothers. In their first year out of the womb, infants suffer the highest rate of measles infections and the most lasting harm. Yet vaccinated mothers have little antibody to pass on — only about one-quarter as much as mothers protected by natural measles — leaving infants vulnerable three months after birth, according to a study last year in the Journal of Infectious Diseases. HIV-infected children, who may account for most recent measles-related child deaths, also suffer when their mothers have been vaccinated, since HIV further reduces the antibodies they inherit.
Factors such as these increased the death rate for adults and the very young, helping to reverse the decline in deaths seen in previous decades, according to a 2004 study in theJournal of Infectious Disease, authored by researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.
Vaccines for measles have had spotty safety records. Soon after their introduction, the Vital Statistics of the United States began recording deaths from the measles vaccine, along with deaths from other vaccines. By 1970, one of the two original measles vaccines was withdrawn in Canada and the U.S. after causing atypical measles syndrome, a harsh disease triggering high rates of pneumonia. In 1975, the second original vaccine was withdrawn due to 103-degrees-plus fevers, among other severe side effects. Two variants of this vaccine also proved unsatisfactory. A measles vaccine then became part of the combination MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine in the 1980s, only to be withdrawn in 1990 by Canada and in 1992 by the manufacturer after reports from Canada, the U.S., Sweden and Japan blamed MMR for febrile convulsions, meningitis, deafness and deaths. A second version of MMR, now in widespread use, is believed safe by government officials.
Safety aside, vaccines repeatedly failed worldwide in the 1980s and 1990s. As described in “Measles Elimination in Canada”, a 2004 report authored by Canadian government officials and academics, “despite virtually 100% documented one-dose coverage in some regions, large outbreaks of measles involving thousands of cases persisted … Clearly, because of primary vaccine failure, Canada’s one-dose program was insufficient.”
The solution finally arrived at — adding a second dose for children — initially seemed to tame measles outbreaks. But in recent years, the new vaccination regime, too, has been failing, with widespread outbreaks again occurring, including among those who have received the recommended dose and especially among infants too young to be vaccinated, and thus unprotected because their mothers had been vaccinated. Now health experts, scrambling to find solutions, are suggesting numerous reforms, including earlier child vaccinations and second doses for adults.
Clearly, the science is not settled, making for parents a numbers game of the decision to vaccinate their children. Some parents rely on the press or health authorities to interpret the numbers. Others defy the authorities and weigh the risks in the numbers differently, in deciding what’s best for their own families. Who are these others? According to a survey in Pediatrics, unvaccinated children in the U.S. have a mother who is at least 30 years old, who has at least one college degree and whose household has an annual income of at least $75,000. In the absence of studies showing vaccinated children to be healthier than those unvaccinated, the parents in these educated households have determined that the numbers argue against vaccination.
Lawrence Solomon is research director of Consumer Policy Institute.LawrenceSolomon@nextcity.com
http://business.financialpost.com/…/lawrence-solomon-the-u…/
Lawrence Solomon: The untold story of measles
Several decades following the vaccine’s introduction, the measles death rate rose, largely because the vaccine made adults, expectant mothers and infants more vulnerable
BUSINESS.FINANCIALPOST.COM
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Well friends… let the record show I tried :-).
RosRoss, Mr. Solomon is not an Immunologist/Infectious Diseases expert/Microbiologist/etc… His articles are full of problematic analysis, cherry picked data and quotes, and often draw conclusions in conflict with the conclusions found in his sources. He is a great example of someone with both a pulpit and also a complete lack of the training required to accurately distill this information. He’s a terrible secondary source. If his articles are the foundation of anyone’s evidence-based perspective on measles (or any other pathogens), that person is on unsure footing.
Sincerely,
Ian
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Dear Ian,
No, Mr Solomon is not an immunologist etc., but he is a journalist proficient in research. Those who exposed Watergate were not politicians, but journalists proficient in research.
And your point would be? In my experience immunologists etc., are hardly articulate and not skilled in research beyond their narrow and particular speciality. It requires other skills to research across a wide spectrum, apply reason, common sense and detailed processing and those skills, Mr Solomon has. More to the point, he is not alone and if you want articles written by medical professionals then I can direct you to a site which has them:
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/
As to ‘being nice’ I was not being other. It is difficult in this medium with no knowledge of individuals and no recourse to the five senses or the real world, to interpret such conversations. There are also cultural differences which make ‘divided by a common language’ a reality and misunderstandings inevitable.
I was really being literal and frank which is my nature but also a part of my culture as an Australian. No offence was intended.
We are not starting from a position that vaccines are full of diseases and poisonous toxins, although of course they are. Let’s be rational here. You say there is no credible evidence but the entire raison d’etre of vaccination is to inject disease or diseases into a baby or child’s body and we both know that included in that vaccine are poisonous toxins, to lesser and greater degrees. Science/medicine may say that they exist at minor levels and do no harm – but they said that about Thalidomide didn’t they? But toxins they remain and diseases they are and must be.
We are starting from a position that freedom of choice on medical issues is crucial and a right and we are then moving on to why vaccines began to be questioned, i.e. damaged or dead children following vaccination.
Once questions begin to be asked they breed more questions because they reveal more facts, data, truths and possibilities. If in fact there had not be an hysterical and fascist response from the pro-vaccination industry/movement/brigade etc., then I honestly believe a minority of the population would have gone about their business and we would not be having this conversation.
But, because of the hysteria of the pro-vax community, which has taken its position to theological levels, more questions have been asked, more data has been found and that means more questions for and from more people.
You said:I will give you all the time you need to try to convince me.
Please be assured I have absolutely no interest in convincing you or anyone else of anything. It is in
fact impossible to convince anyone, beyond the truly gullible, and my view is no-one should try.
What one does is offer information and thoughts to others on the basis that they can and should do with them as they will, i.e. as they make sense.
I respect your faith in science and medicine but I do not share it. As a journalist of many decades where I have interviewed thousands of people and worked through countless academic and scientific documents, I am of the view that the most highly qualified people are not necessarily the most intelligent. They are good at absorbing and processing particular information within a narrow and defined paradigm, i.e. in science/medicine the material and mechanistic, but they are not good at strategic thinking and often very poor at putting their information into words.
I question everything but particularly that which comes from vested agendas and industries and that is what science/medicine and academia are today.
The list of how much science has gotten wrong, despite all those years of study, is very long and gets longer all the time. I honestly believe the reason lies in the deluded belief system of science, i.e. materialist reductionism applied to everything including the natural world and the human organism. This is where it goes most wrong. The human body is not a machine or bag of chemicals and with iatrogenic – doctor or medical induced – now the third biggest killer, we have reached a point here the most dangerous lifestyle choice one can make is seeing a doctor or believing a doctor or a scientist.
It does not have to be that way, but it is.
Yes, drugs ‘work’ on the body but they have side-effects which damage and kill. Why? Because mostly they are synthesized – you cannot patent natural aspirin and make a fortune – and this means they ‘fit’ less well in terms of ‘docking’ with cells and so you have side effects. Most of the iatrogenic deaths are sourced in medications.
The US consumes most of the world’s pharmaceuticals and 80% of the worlds painkillers and it has the worst health, highest child mortality rates and worst longevity in the developed world. Science now knows that painkillers contribute to serious joint damage long-term. Might that be a factor in the huge increase in knee replacements, tipped to rise 600% in the next few years in the US.
Let’s just say, mechanistic medicine is doing a great deal of harm.
As to science not being a belief system, I meant that in terms of the foundational belief of science: materialist reductionism. That is a belief which has in fact become dogma. There is absolutely no evidence, in fact, quite the opposite, that the world can be reduced to the material so the fact that science is sourced in this belief means it is not fact, but theory, i.e. belief.
Science as a methodology, in its best form is rigorous but science has been corrupted by profit and power like everything else. Science is not a process which only seeks to tell us what we can know – not – to be true. Science is a process which can only tell us what can be confirmed materially and at that, it has been very successful or we would not be having this conversation in this way.
But the human body is not a car, computer or camera – it is a highly complex organism which functions through and in the material, but beyond the material.
And all scientific research is filtered through various influences:
. who pays for the research
. who does the research
.where the research is done
. what questions are asked
. what outcomes are required or desired
. what profits are involved – financial, professional, peer approval etc.
It is, in fact, highly subjective and if you read the article in The Economist I linked earlier you would see just how subjective and how flawed.
Your list of topics is not particularly relevant but I will address them separately as a courtesy.
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Dear Ian,
Your questions.
1) Q: Is an infant’s immune system present at birth, or only given to the infant through breast milk? A: No. We both agree that an infant is born with conferred maternal immunity.
Given the brilliance of Mother Nature, logic suggests that of course a baby has some immune response or it would not survive as effectively as it does even when not breastfed and even when delivered by Caesarean, an ancient emergency intervention.
It also seems logical and research seems to agree, that breast-milk confers additional immunity although one could also reason that breastmilk is just so optimally nutritious and perfectly designed for a baby, that with a nourished mother, the health of the baby must be as good as it can be.
I am not so sure on conferred maternal immunity, but I do believe that Nature has put something in place and this may well be it. The baby comes from a completely safe and sterile environment out into a world of bacteria and potential pathogens, so logically, Nature has taken this into account or few babies would last a week!
2) Q: Is Hep B an exclusively sexually transmitted disease? A:
No, Hep B is not exclusively sexually transmitted. I said before I knew someone who got it from a blood transfusion. If you look carefully at high risk groups, remembering that such data is rarely completely objective, you will see that promiscuity is a major factor, along with anyone who has compromised immunity or poor nutrition, sanitation and hygiene.
3) Q: Based on answer to question 2, is it appropriate to vaccinate infants with the Hep B vaccine? A:
No it is not appropriate. Logic suggests that since Hep B for newborns is a recent invention and there was no Hep B scourge in babies born to healthy mothers in the past and only those with poor nutrition, sanitation and hygiene, and generally drug users or highly sexually active mothers were likely to have Hep B, then using an experimental and unnecessary vaccine on a newborn is irrational and potentially dangerous. It is certainly not required.
4) Q: What is the definition of the word “toxin.” A:
Toxin, that which has a toxic effect, does damage, i.e. poison. One can be ‘poisoned’ by a variety of treatments, or be subject to toxicity, without the material itself being toxic,i.e. too much water or salt, not of themselves toxic, taken in too high a quantity will kill you. They are, therefore toxic as administered.
5) Q: Does the Hep B vaccine contain a disease or toxins? A:
The vaccine contains genetically engineered disease so yes, it contains a disease. Otherwise it would not be a vaccine. It contains aluminium which has toxic outcomes.
http://www.ashotoftruth.org/vaccines/hepatitis-b-vaccine
unprotected sex among those groups who are at highest risk of contracting both hepatitis B and hepatitis C.
Articles and Stories Related to the Hepatitis B Vaccine
Infant Hep B Vaccines Perform Shamefully; Time To End Them?
by Sayer Ji
Hepatitis B Vaccine Halted After 3 Newborns Die from System Shock
by Lance Johnson
Court Links Hepatitis B Vaccine To A Death
By Sharyl Attkisson, CBS News
New Study: Hepatitis B Vaccine Triples the Risk of Autism in Infant Boys
by David Kirby
HepB Vaccine Causes Liver Disease: Science Shows How
by: Heidi Stevenson
Hep B Vaccine Damages The Liver It Is Supposed To Protect
by: Sayer Ji
6) Q: What are the complications of measles? A:
Measles complications are rare. All diseases have potentials for complications. The common cold has complications – so what? One makes value judgements regarding any potential illness and in terms of measles, it was and is a minor risk where there is adequate nutrition, hygiene and sanitation. And, where there is not, people are not healthy enough to be subjected to vaccines anyway.
Quote: In the pre-vaccine era, when the natural measles virus infected the entire population, measles — “typically a benign childhood illness,” as Clinical Pediatrics described it — was welcomed for providing lifetime immunity, thus avoiding dangerous adult infections. In today’s vaccine era, adults have accounted for one quarter to one half of measles cases; most of them involve pneumonia, one-quarter of them hospitalization.
Also importantly, measles during pregnancies have risen dangerously because expectant mothers no longer have lifetime immunity. Today’s vaccinated expectant mothers are at risk because the measles vaccine wanes with time and because it often fails to protect against measles.
7) Q: What was the impact of improved sanitation on the rate of morbidity and mortality from infectious diseases in the 19th and 20th c.? What role did vaccines play in any changes in these rates? A:
The impact was huge. Vaccination played no part in the decline of diseases but it did, in some instances, play a part in increased disease, i.e. polio.
You can do your own research but studying UK Government records from the 1830’s and US and elsewhere some decades later, shows clear timelines for disease declines an also the impact of improved living conditions.
8) Q: If on receives a vaccine, they’re immune, right? What do they care if i don’t get vaccinated? It’s my choice with my body. A:
Would you not agree that vaccination claims to confer immunity? That is surely the entire point of it? And yes, if it works and you are immune, what difference does it make? Well, it does not work, we know that but that is a different issue.
9) Q: Is natural immunity always superior to vaccine conferred immunity? A:
Yes.
9)….TBA
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Dear Ian,
I remember ‘measles’ and ‘mumps’ and infectious diseases ‘parties’ where, with medical approval, parents were encouraged to subject their children to the disease when it broke out so they could have it, get over it and have the immunity required.
So, what do you think changed? It was not measles which changed. In decades past no-one got hysterical about measles and now you would think it was the Black Death.
Your thoughts on the following and why measles has morphed from mild childhood disease to source of terror in the US anyway would be appreciated.
Quote: An epidemic has taken over the United States, a crippling infection of measles hysteria. People with measles hysteria find themselves looking around at the people in the room and wondering which person is harboring the horrible contagious virus they will catch and take home to the kids and all their kids’ friends.
Wait a minute, when I was a kid that’s exactly how we did it! We spread highly contagious viruses at chicken pox parties, measles parties, oh yes and even mumps parties, only there was no fear involved. Family doctors were on board with all of it, it was a natural part of growing up to get the measles, it was normal for parents to want their kids to get these childhood maladies, to build up their immune systems, and get on with a healthy life.
We all had measles when I was a kid, in fact the CDC considers everyone born before the year 1957 to have lifetime immunity to the measles. Why? We all went through a benign, self-limiting disease that causes discomfort and the need to stay in bed with a fever. Medical textbooks from the pre-vaccine era describe measles as posing minimal risk to a well-nourished child.
And there is an outstanding reward awaiting measles sufferers: lifetime immunity! No. Boosters. Needed. Ever.
http://www.wellbeyondmedicine.com/mass-measles-hysteria-outbreak/
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Dear Ian,
In light of your desire for qualified professionals to comment, you might find this interesting:
Tetyana Obukhanych earned her Ph.D. in Immunology at the Rockefeller University in New York, NY with her research dissertation focused on understanding immunologic memory, perceived by the mainstream biomedical establishment to be key to vaccination and immunity. She was subsequently involved in laboratory research as a postdoctoral research fellow within leading biomedical institutions, such as Harvard Medical School and Stanford University School of Medicine. –
See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/07/10/tetanus-shot-how-do-we-know-that-it-works-by-tetyana-obukhanych-phd/#sthash.TtTFPHKQ.dpuf
And:
Dr. Suzanne Humphries, a highly educated medical doctor with specialties in internal medicine and nephrology talks about vaccines, diseases and health in an interview with Canal 2nd Opinion recorded in Ängelholm, Sweden in september 2014.
Dr. Humphries worked as a kidney specialist, when she saw a connection between vaccinations and kidney damage. – See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/10/04/dr-humphries-interview-from-scandinavian-lecture-tour-oct-2014/#sthash.kmILzDGs.dpuf-
See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/10/04/dr-humphries-interview-from-scandinavian-lecture-tour-oct-2014/#sthash.sYnOAce1.dpuf
And:
As an undergraduate at M.I.T, Dr. Brogan studied Cognitive Neuroscience and worked with Harvard undergraduates to create a public forum for the discussion of alternative medicine, directing conferences for the Hippocratic Society. She attended Cornell Medical School where she was awarded the Rudin Scholarship for Psychiatric Oncology and began her work in Reproductive Psychiatry, which she went on to train in during her residency at NYU/Bellevue. A strong interest in the interface of medicine and psychiatry led her to pursue a fellowship in Consultation Liaison/Psychosomatic Medicine at NYU/Bellevue/VA Hospital. –
See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/11/27/a-shot-never-worth-taking-the-flu-vaccine-by-kelly-brogan-md/#sthash.1u974ebD.dpuf
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If anyone wants to know what is in vaccines, this site will tell you. After thoroughly researching every ingredient and taking into account that it is mixed with synthetic or ‘live’ disease forms, who would not ask the question: Why do I allow this to be injected into my child’s body, virtually directly into the bloodstream?
NB: The official line is that vaccines are not injected into the bloodstream and that is true, for they are not injected into veins, arteries or directly into capillaries, but they are injected into muscle in the main, because, it is here that the greatest blood supply is found: ergo, the place where the vaccine can most quickly enter the blood stream. So, since it is actually not practical to inject into veins, arteries or capillaries, injecting into muscle is the next best thing which amounts to the same thing in essence, that vaccines are injected ‘directly’ into the bloodstream.
http://www.ashotoftruth.org/featured-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients
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Thank you, thank you, thank you for addressing diet as immune support. When I tell people these exact thoughts, they treat me like I’m crazy. But, then, I think it’s crazy to spend 6 out of every 12 months running a sick ward in my own home.
I don’t have the time or the prowess to argue these points you are making, and I am so glad someone like you is defending our way of caring for our kids. Infinite gratitude to you. 🙂
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YES!!!!!! “…find me an immunocompromised kid who hasn’t ever been vaccinated and we’ll have a talk about how vaccines aren’t causing cancer but until then, keep your lips zipped. And I’m not talking about a 10 month old who had all vaccines except the MMR when I say “unvaccinated.”” Thank you! I will home school and live off the grid before I submit to ANY of the “ANGRY VAX PUSHERS.”
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Wait, what?
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This measles debat is fascinating…what happened to the Ebola hysteria of a few months ago? Oh that’s right..it didn’t get enough of a reaction from the masses to matter in terms of trying to legislate forced vaccines on everyone. Hence the measles hype.
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Meanwhile:
The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) terms the current measles outbreak in the U.S. as “large multi-state outbreak.” Discussion has permeated everywhere from traditional news media to commentary and pop culture websites.
At 141 cases and growing, the incidence of measles is widely considered serious enough to prompt discussions about strengthening laws and changing policies. Reaction has ranged from alarmed to near-hysterical.
Related: The Measles Outbreaks– Facts at Your Fingertips
Yet commensurate attention has not been paid to a much more widespread and mysterious infectious disease outbreak in the U.S.: one that also originated in California. In contrast to the measles outbreak, which so far has no associated deaths, this outbreak has claimed 14 lives: Most of them children.
What is the outbreak that has failed to make headlines, despite its reach and fatality rate?
It’s the polio-like enterovirus EV-D68 that can cause severe respiratory illness. It has also been potentially linked to dozens of debilitating cases of paralysis.
CDC and medical experts state that measles is very dangerous: for every 1,000 cases of measles there will be approximately 2 deaths. But the death risk among serious cases of EV-D68 may be several fold greater: at least 14 associated deaths reported among 1,153 cases.
The CDC says it cannot explain why this particular form of enterovirus has surged to such an unusual degree in the U.S. The CDC also states that it has been unable to pinpoint its origin.
Below is a side-by-side comparison of the “large” measles outbreak and the largely unnoticed EV-D68/paralysis outbreak.
http://sharylattkisson.com/the-non-measles-outbreak-thats-not-making-news/
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Ebola hysteria went away because the election passed and it stopped being needed to frighten people. Very different pathogens. Profoundly different r0s. Few in the medical community were concerned about an uncontrollable spread of ebola in US because the evidence didn’t support it.
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Ebola went away because the CDC/Vaccine Industry got what it wanted. Money. Project BioShield.
The fiscal year 2004 appropriation for the Department of Homeland Security included $5.6 billion over 10 years for the purchase of next generation countermeasures against anthrax and smallpox as well as other CBRN agents. $5.6 billion is what compelled this False Flag event. If, the 5.6 billion wasn’t used by the end of 2014, it would go back into a general fund. Big pharma and the corrupt medical Jihadist couldn’t have that. Soooooo, Ebola. What’ more terrifying than a mysterious disease, in a far away country on the other side of the world where more than 4,000 people a day die from various illness and some of them mimic Ebola, Half the work of selling this to the populace with a wonder drug on top of that would be easy since they government has spent the last 50 years plus brainwashing the public into thinking that the only thing that will save them or prevent them from catching deadly dastardly painful diseases is through vaccines made by the generosity and compassion of the government & vaccine industry.
http://georgewbush-whitehouse (dot) archives.gov/infocus/bioshield/
Ebola Fraud 2014: The U.S. Executive Order 13295 and Project BioShield
site-icontruthsector (dot) net/2014/10/15/ebola-fraud-2014-the-u-s-executive-order-13295-and-project-bioshield/
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Some interesting and sobering quotes on vaccination by medical professionals:
Never in the history of medicine has there been produced such false a theory, and such fraudulent assumptions, such disastrous and damning results as have followed the practice of vaccination; it is the ultimate of learned quackery and lacks even the faintest shadow of scientific basis.”
Dr. E. Ripley, Connecticut Practitioner, ‘Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective’, N. Miller
The mechanics of vaccination to build immunity is quite unnatural. Rather than space exposure to a relatively minuscule level of micro organisms in a gradual manner, quantities of antigens are introduced into the body through a series of vaccinations that are given in a row over a short period of time. All vaccines with the exception of the oral polio vaccine are injected directly into the bloodstream, by-passing the mucosal immune system know as the secretory IgA which is the first in a series of defensive levels within the immune system. It serves as a buffer, filtering microbes so that the impact of these invading organism is greatly reduced once it reaches the bloodstream. The IgA allows the antigen to be removed the same manner it arrived – through the mucosal barrier by sneezing, coughing and sweating. So a vaccine that has been injected gives the body no warning, no generalized inflammatory response, no chance to recognize, duplicate or defend itself against future challenges from typical antigens.”
Robert Mendelsohn, MD, Professor of Pediatrics, ‘How to Raise a Healthy Child in spite of your Doctor
From 1900-1935 before the pertussis vaccine was introduced the death rate from pertussis in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 79% and 82% respectively.
International Mortality Statistics
Figures published in International Mortality Statistics confirm that from 1915-1958 the measles death rate in the U.S. and U.K. declined by 98% (five years before the creation of the measles vaccine)
The New Zealand Government’s statistics show that the average death rate per 10,000 fell from 6.08 to 0.20 before the use of diphtheria vaccine.
The most phenomenal accomplishments in tuberculosis eradication have been achieved where little or no B.C.G. (vaccine) has been used, including in Iceland Hawaii and the Netherlands.
British Medical Journal, 6/6/1959
“It is pathetic and ludicrous to say we ever vanquished smallpox with vaccines, when only 10% of the population was ever vaccinated.”
Dr. Glen Dettman PhD, Australia
Southland Time 30-Sep-1998
“There is no question but that perfect sanitation has almost obliterated this disease (smallpox) and sooner or later will dispose of it entirely. Of course when that time comes, in all probability the credit will be given to vaccination.”
John Tilden MD (1851-1940)
“I have thought many times of all the insane things that we have advocated in medicine – one of the most insane – to insist on the vaccination of children or anybody else for the prevention of smallpox, when as a matter of fact, we are never able to prove vaccination saved one man from smallpox.”
Dr. William Howard Hay (1866-1940), New York Practitioner
If vaccines are so effective in preventing disease why have epidemics occurred around the world following mass vaccination programs? In the Philippines for example, “after ten years of compulsory inoculation against smallpox (25 million shots) over 170,000 got smallpox and 75,000 deaths were recorded between 1911 and 1920″”
from the Townsend Letter for Doctors article “Are Vaccines Generally Detrimental to the Human Defence System” Feb/Mar 1994
Early in this century, the Philippines experienced their worst smallpox ever after people received 24.5 million vaccine doses.”
Dr. William Howard Hay, Address to Medicial Freedom Society, 6/25/37
How is it that smallpox is five times as likely to be fatal in the vaccinated as in the unvaccinated? How is it that in some of our most highly vaccinated towns, smallpox is rife whilst in some of our most poorly vaccinated towns such as Leicester, it is almost unknown? How is it that something like 80% of the cases admitted into the Metropolitan Board Smallpox Hospital have been vaccinated, whilst only 20% have not been vaccinated.”
Dr. L. Parry, British Medical Journal, 1/21/28
“I have studied the question of vaccination conscientiously for 45 years…As a preventative of disease, there is not a scrap of evidence in its favour. The injection of virus into the bloodstream does not prevent smallpox, rather, it tends to increase its epidemics, and it makes the disease more deadly.”…Cancer mortality has increased from 9 per 100,000 or fully 900% increase within the past 50 years, and no conceivable thing could have caused this increase but the universal blood poisoning now existing.”
Dr. Charles E. Page, Boston Practitioner
“It is now accepted that the risks of routine smallpox vaccination outweigh those of natural infection.”
British Medical Journal 1/5/76
A study published in 1992 validated earlier findings. Children who received DPT injections were significantly more likely than controls to get paralytic poliomyelitis within the next 30 days…”This study confirmed that injections are an important cause of provocative poliomyelitis.”
Sutter R.W., et al ‘Attributable paralytic poliomyelitis during a large outbreak in Oman’ Journal of Infectious Disease 1992; 165:444-9
“I have studied the question of vaccination conscientiously for 45 years…As a preventative of disease, there is not a scrap of evidence in its favour. The injection of virus into the bloodstream does not prevent smallpox, rather, it tends to increase its epidemics, and it makes the disease more deadly.”…Cancer mortality has increased from 9 per 100,000 or fully 900% increase within the past 50 years, and no conceivable thing could have caused this increase but the universal blood poisoning now existing.”
Dr. Charles E. Page, Boston Practitioner
Why questioning the science/medical industry is vital.
From 1923 to 1953 before the Salk killed virus vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 47% and 55% respectively.
International Mortality Statistics.
“Official data shows that large scale vaccination has failed to obtain any significant improvement of the diseases against which they were supposed to provide protection.”
Dr. Albert Sabin, Developer of the Oral Polio
vaccine
“Where compulsory vaccination was practiced as in North Carolina and Tenesse, Bealle’s investigations report a 400% increase in paralytic and non-paralytic polio during 1959 over 1958.”
William Frederick Koch MD, PhD
“When you inoculate children with a polio vaccine you don’t sleep well for two or three weeks.”
Dr. Jonas Salk, Developer of the Killed Virus Polio Vaccine.
“In 1976, Dr. Jonas Salk, the developer of the killed-virus vaccine testified that the live virus vaccine was “the principal if not the sole” cause of polio in the U.S. since 1961”
Washington Post 9/ 24/76
“I think to release certain information prematurely is not a public service. There is too much scaring the public unnecessarily. Oh, your children were injected by a cancer virus.”
Albert Sabin, Developer of the Oral Polio Vaccine
“A study of 59,000 women found that children of mothers who received the Salk vaccine between 1959 and 1965 had brain tumours at a rate 13 times greater than mothers who did not receive those polio shots.”
New England Journal of Medicine 1988; 318; 1469
Despite official denials of any correlation between polio vaccines, SV-40 and increased cancer rates, by April 2001, 62 papers from 30 laboratories around the world had reported SV-40 in human tissues and tumours.
San Francisco Chronicle July 15, 2001
“Within a few years of the polio vaccine we started seeing some strange phenomena like the year before the first 300,000 doses were given in the United States childhood leukemia had never struck children under the age of two. One year after the first onslaught they had the first cases of children under the age of two that died of leukemia…Dr. Herbert Radnor observed that in a small area of this little town, in an area where no cases of leukemia had been expected or at the most one in 4 years according to previous statistics, they suddenly had a rash like epidemic within a few blocks.”
Eva Snead MD, San Antonio, Texas
“It cannot be ruled out that two million New Zealanders cold be suffering in thirty years’ time from cancerous brain tumours as a result of vaccination.”
Dr. A. Malcome, Minister of Health, New Zealand, 1983
“Modern vaccinations, fear of germs and obsession with hygiene are depriving the immune system of the information input upon which it is dependent. This fails to maintain the correct cytokine balance and fine-tune T-cell regulation, and may lead to increased incidences of allergies and autoimmune diseases.”
Rook G. A. Stanford JL Dept. of Bacteriology, UCLA Medical School
“There is a school of thought that the so-called childhood illnesses of former times, including measles, mumps, chicken pox and rubella which entered the body through the mucous membranes served a necessary and positive purpose in challenging and strengthening the immune system of these membranes. Vaccines, in contrast, are injected directly into the body, consequently bypassing the mucous membranes, leaving the mucosal immunity relatively weak and stunted.”
Harold Buttram MD, FCCP ‘Vaccines and Genetic Mutation’
“The term immunization gives a false sense of security. The rise in the antibody titer is only a part of the body’s response; other parts of the immune system have not been activated. Years of experimenting with the immune systems of humans have proven nature does it best. ‘Immunity’ derived from vaccination is not complete, temporary at best and for many is dangerous, even lethal.”
Lendon Smith MD, Professor, Clinical Pediatrics, Oregon Health Services University
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“The fallacy of this (antibody theory) was exposed nearly 50 years ago…A report published by the Medical Research Council entitled ‘A Study of Diptheria in Two Areas of Great Britain’, Special Report series 272, HMSA 1950 demonstrated that many of the diphtheria patients had high level of circulating antibodies, whereas many of the contacts who remained perfectly well had low antibody.”
Magda Taylor of ‘Informed Parent’, U.K.
Jayne Donegan
“When they say immunogenicity what they actually mean is antibody levels. Antibody levels are not the same as immunity. The recent mumps vaccine fiasco in Switzerland has re-emphasized this point. Three mumps vaccines…all produced excellent antibody levels but those vaccinated with the Rubini strain had the same attack rate as those not vaccinated at all. There were some who said that it actually caused outbreaks.” (Many have raised the question of whether, indeed, it’s the vaccinated who threaten the unvaccinated.)
Jayne Donegan, MBBS, DRGOG, DCH, DFFP, England
We were taught that antibodies means protection against disease. When AIDS started, the antibodies meant instead of being protected you were doomed. Suddenly people had to change their concept. You can be loaded with antibodies and still get the disease you may have no antibodies and not catch the disease, so this concept to antibodies we were taught as students was wrong.”
Archie Kalokerinos MD, PhD, AMM, MBBS, FAPM, Documentary, ‘Vaccination: The Hidden Truth’
The Need to Alert Physicians
“Since vaccine development information is considered proprietary, government and researchers shield potential safety issues from public scrutiny. In essence, health care professionals and the general public know little about the possible dangers.”
Dr. W. John Martin MD, PhD
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“Death from brain and spinal chord diseases resulting from immunizations sometimes are attributed to other causes because doctors are not alerted to the connection between immunizations and the deaths.”
H.S. Martland, former Chief Medical Examiner, Essex County, NY
Bonnie Dunbar
“It is essential in my opinion that physicians are better educated on the potential risks of this vaccine, (Hepatitis B) as well as the interactions with other vaccines and the increased risks of vaccinations of sick children…”
Bonnie Dunbar PhD, Professor of Department of Cell Biology, Baylor College of Medicine, Texas (worked in vaccine development for over 25 years)
“When we look at the symptoms that we see in a child that has been vaccinated – high ever, high pitched screaming…sometimes even almost hemapletic, these are symptoms that if they were seen in a child that had not just been vaccinated, all us doctors would be concerned…we wouldn’t simply sit back and say ‘that’s fine'”
Robin Cosford MD, Documentary, ‘Vaccination: The Hidden Truth’
Russell Blaylock
“It’s important to understand that most practicing physicians have no idea of the pathological effect on the brain of giving multiple vaccines on a large scale… These affects are widely discussed in the neuroscience literature, but few practicing physicians, especially pediatricians, Ever read such articles… Older doctors have no concept of the newer discoveries in immunology especially neuroimmunology.”
Russell Blaylock MD, Neurosurgeon, ‘Vaccines, Neurodevelopment and Autism Spectrum Disorder
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The Power of Indoctrination
Bernard Rimland
“Physicians are indoctrinated to disbelieve claims of harm and are not trained to recognize nor required to report any adverse reactions. From 90-99% of adverse reactions reported to doctors are never reported to the government’s lax Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.”
Bernard Rimland, PhD, Director, Autism Research Institute
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“The medical-industrial complex has neither wavered nor modified its posture of providing a white washed endorsement and promotion of what is largely an unproven, technological fix of dubious origin which carries within it seeds of disease and death.”
Raymond Obomaswin PhD, Author of ‘Immunization: Medical Miracle or Masterful Mirage?’
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“Vaccinations hold the answering loyalty and support on numerous health professional once whom imprinted in their early training never allow new data or studies to sway their allegiances. If that data does not appear within the realm of a few specific journals, it is simply assumed that new information cannot exist.”
Thomas Levy MD, FACC ‘Vaccination – The Shot That Keeps on Shooting’
Gerhard Buchwald
“In the publications of the pharmaceutical industry vaccinations are praised with prayer-like repetition…to instill the belief in the benefit and the necessity of vaccinations…Evidence which disproves such claims is conveniently ignored.”
Gerhard Buchwald MD, Internal Medicine Specialist, Germany
Hilary Butler
“Seventeen years in this domain has taught me that people believe what they want to believe. This applies to journalists, scientists, doctors and parents. Most of us believe what were trained to believe by the actions of our parents, and the dictates of the system. The majority believe rules by force of numbers. It’s only when something happens which turns your world upside down and rips your ‘belief” values open and forces you to admit that your beliefs were based on the shifting sands of convenience and ignorance. This was how I became involved. It was a painful process and once it happens in one area, you find that your conditioning starts to be stripped away in many others.”
Hilary Butler, Founder, Immunization Awareness Society
Russell Blaylock
“What is a vaccinologist? Do you go to school to learn to be one? How many years of residency training required? Are there board exams? It’s a stupid term used to describe people who are obsessed with vaccines. They are very narrow in their thinking and wear blinders that prevent them from seeing the numerous problems occurring with large numbers of vaccinations in infants and children. Their goal in life is to vaccinate as many people as possible with an ever-growing number of vaccines.”
Dr. Russel Blaylock, MD Neurosurgeon
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Feeling the Pressure
Mark Donohoe
“We have pressure on doctors from every corner to push vaccination and never let people think the adverse reactions may outweigh the benefits. When problems arise after vaccination, doctors tend to play down the severity of the complaints and will often deny a connection with vaccination.”
Mark Donohoe, MB ‘Vaccination Roulette’
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“I do believe that there is a problem in reporting the effects of vaccination on children… And one of the reasons that I believe there is, is that there is a great, great pressure put upon the medical hierarchy, by the drug companies to suppress an enormous amount of important information.”
Dr. Evan Lallemand, Osteopath specializing in vaccine damage rehabilitation, Austria, 1992
Bonnie Dunbar
“Many physicians and medical students have told me that if this vaccine is recommended and mandated by government officials ‘Why should they look at it or discuss it with their patients?’ Others have said their colleagues do not report these incidences because they ‘don’t want to get involved.'”
Bonnie Dunbar PhD, Professor of Cell Biology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston Texas, (worked in vaccine development over twenty-five years)
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“If a pediatrician fails to administer an officially recommended vaccine and the child gets a preventable disease, the pediatrician could be sued for malpractice. If a child is injured by a vaccine, no pediatrician can be sued.”
Roger Shafly, PhD ‘Official Vaccine Policy Flawed’
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“Doctors automatically assume that people who get vaccines do not come down with the diseases they are now supposed to be protected from. They say the vaccine is safe. But what do they base this judgment on. They base them on definitions which automatically rule out condemnation of the vaccine. You see it’s circular reasoning. It’s a closed system. It admits no possible fault. If a person, who gets a vaccine for hepatitis, gets hepatitis or some other disease, the automatic assumption is this had nothing to do with the disease.”
Dr. Mark Randall (pseudonym) former NIH Researcher and former Vaccine Developer, in interview with investigative journalist, John Rappoport
Jane Orient
“Once a vaccine is mandated, the manufacturer and the physician administering the vaccine are substantially released of liability for adverse effects. The relationship of the patient and physician is shattered: in administering the vaccine, the physician is served as an agent of the state. To the extent that the physician complies without an independent evaluation of the appropriateness of the vaccine for each patient, He is abdicating his responsibility under the Oath of Hippocrates to ‘prescribe regimen of the good of my patient according to my ability and my judgement and never do harm to anyone’.”
Jane Orient, Executive Director, Association of American Physicians and Surgeons
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“I have found vaccines have far more problems than I was ever led to believe in nursing school or latter practice.”
Sheri Nakken, RN (Well Within)
Robert S. Mendelsohn
“Because routine immunizations that bring parents back for repeated office calls, pediatricians continue to defend them to death. For a pediatrician to attack what has become the bread and butter of pediatric practice is equivalent to a priest denying the infallibility of the pope.”
Robert Mendelsohn, MD, Pediatrician, Professor of Pediatrics, University of Illinois
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Denial… Refusing to Connect the Dots
Richard Moscowitz
“Thirty-five years of medical practice have convinced me that all vaccines carry an important risk of chronic disease that’s inherent In the vaccine process. Yet the growing concerns of parents…rarely, if ever, elicit anything beyond automatic denials by medical and public health authorities alike.”
Richard Moscowitz MD ‘Hidden in Plain Sight; The Role of Vaccination in Childhood Disease’
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You do realize that for every one of these “sobering” medical quotes there is probably ten or so more that state the opposite. Those two could be labeled sobering. this is one of the hang ups I have with the anti vaxx dialogue. How can you quote medical professionals when a much greater number of experts state the opposite? Invalidating ten doctors while expecting another is circular.
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The salient point is that there are doctors, and a growing number, who, despite being sourced in the scientific mindset, do not agree. Of course there are ten times more who do and that is because it is only ever a minority on any count who are prepared to question belief systems and, even fewer who have the courage to take a stand and risk prestige, peer approval, profit and power.
The few who speak out are important simply because it says that not everyone agrees. More sobering is that doctors have been speaking out for decades and been ignored, and many of those were trained in the days when doctors were not on part-salary from BigPharma and when an MD was more than a chemist prescribing pills and vaccines or secretaries ordering tests.
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Ian Howell,
You said: Studies have been done that look at vax vs unvax populations that demonstrate that unvaccinated children tend to get sick when exposed to preventable diseases and autism does not occur at a higher rate in the vaccinated population.
Can you provide links to that data you ite?
Also, since the US has the most vaccinated population in the world, it would be hard to find enough unvaccinated to accurately assess autism rates.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/03/27/u-s-autism-rate-surges-cdc-reports/
autism rates are higher in developed countries, i.e. most vaccinated countries.
http://www.hcs.harvard.edu/hghr/online/autism-on-the-rise-a-global-perspective/
But the good news is a study is now being done.
http://vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/12/03/official-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-study-finally-being-done-please-read-and-contribute-suzanne-humphries-md/
In the meantime:
Quote: A study from the 1990s has come to light, proving that compared to unvaccinated children, vaccinated children were more likely to suffer from asthma, eczema, ear infections, hyperactivity and many other chronic conditions. Furthermore, the study identified that there was a ten-fold increase in the incidence of tonsillitis in the children who were vaccinated, and a total lack tonsillectomy operations among the children who were unvaccinated. In 1992, the Immunization Awareness Society (IAS) conducted a survey to examine the health of New Zealand’s children. – See more at: http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/studies-outside-the-u-s-show-unvaccinated-children-healthier-than-vaccinated-children/#sthash.FPvWfla2.dpuf
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Hi Elnural, Have you tried looking through the peer-reviewed medical literature, rather than secondary sources? I’d start with PubMed. Your public library may even have a free subscription.
Good hunting, you’ll have fun. But read entire articles, including the conclusions. The most promisingly authoritative of the articles (Harvard) you list above suggests that the primary reason developed countries have higher rates of autism is cultural and related to medical resources. The only viable alternate explanation given (receiving support from a small but notable group of researchers) has to do with maternal immune system issues in utero, suggesting something as innocuous as a maternal fever can increase the chances of an autistic child. Their only conclusion is to take probiotics during pregnancy, not stop immunizing infants. Instead of presenting their conclusions, you draw your own conclusion that since developed countries have higher vaccination rates, this is the reason for the higher rates of autism. You make a classical correlation vs. causation error and may as well hypothesize that it is due to any number of other prevalent first world characteristics: cars per capita, home ownership rates, variety of sodas at corner stores, access to clean water, etc…
Ian
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Ian Howell,
And a German study four years ago:
Additionally, there is an ongoing survey in Germany with currently 12,583 participants and the results of this survey show that unvaccinated children are far less affected by common diseases than vaccinated children.The results are presented in the bar chart below and complete data and survey results are linked here. The data is compared to the national German KIGGS health study of the children in the general population.
Salzburger Study
Results: of 1004 unvaccinated children, had
Asthma, 0% (8-12% in the normal population)
A-topic dermatitis 1.2% (10-20% in the normal population)
Allergies 3% (25% in the normal population)
ADHD 0.79% (5-10%) in children
http://www.vaxchoicevt.com/science/studies-comparing-vaccinated-to-unvaccinated-populations/
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Right… whats the methodology of this ongoing german study? do you know ho they’re collecting data?
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I suspect they are collecting data in the same way that scientific data is collected. Logic suggests and physiology reveals that the human body has evolved a brilliantly effective mechanism to maintain life and health. The entire concept of vaccination is deluded because not only does it trick the body to react unnaturally, it forces it to deal with disease in unnatural, multi, forms and to deal with synthesized diseases, combined with toxic chemicals, which would never occur in nature.
In addition, while naturally acquired diseases often provide life-long immunity, most vaccine diseases do not which is why boosters are required.
Now, if the theory of vaccines had been developed and applied to work in league with the body’s natural defences, I doubt there would ever have been a problem and this conversation would not be taking place. In truth, the move to question vaccines only began as profit driven motivation took control and vaccines were turned into a commodity to be sold, whether needed or not, which most are not.
In times to come our descendants will shake their heads at the power of the pharmaceutical industry and the arrogance, ignorance and stupidity of the science/medical industries for coming up with such an idea – more insane, for subjecting our babies and small children to lives as lab rats, regularly injected with toxins and disease!!!!! Madness.
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Hi Again RosRoss,
Nope :-). Check out the study design. It’s the furthest thing from the Gold standard, double-blind study that everyone here screams for.
The rest of what you wrote, again, is just not correct and is refuted by the majority of the scientific community. If vaccines were full of toxic chemicals (toxicity implies the dose) and disease (again, disease is the body’s response to a pathogen, not the pathogen—or the small fragment of the pathogen present in almost all vaccines—itself), I would be standing on the barricades with you.
Would you like to talk about chemicals in vaccines that concern you one by one and discuss how the body processes them?
I’m fine with having vaccines boosters. No issue with that at all. Beats the crap out of having pertussis or dying of liver failure or cervical cancer.
Did you see the article about the American state of California doing away with the personal belief exemption to vaccination?
Be well,
Ian
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Hi Ian,
There is no gold standard design and all research is flawed. I would trust the Germans over just about anybody to test with rigour. If only because the US is one of the most, if not the most, corrupt places in the developed world owing to the power of corporations.
There are some interesting links on this blog. Let’s remember your famed ‘gold standard’ brought the world Thalidomide!!!
Vaccines are full of toxins and vaccine manufacturers admit this, they just claim they are so minimal they do no harm although since this is the first time in human history the body has been subjected to toxins injected directly into the bloodstream, more importantly, in babies and children, I would say their experience is zero in terms of making that judgement. Even scientists admit that nothing can actually be said to be safe until two generations have grown up and remained generally healthy within a norm. Given the disease factors in children in particular and society in general, the indications are not on their side.
As to talking about chemicals in vaccines, my view is that every single one of them is a concern simply because they are injected directly into the bloodstream in ways for which the human body could never have evolved. Also, many are synthesized materials so no evolution there either.
Take magnesium for instance which appears naturally in food and water but you cannot compare that or those levels, which is all chemistry can do actually, to that which is injected directly into our blood, simply because they are two very different things.
Boosters are not an issue per se: just a demonstration that naturally acquired disease provides lifelong immunity and artificial disease does not. Boosters however are as potentially harmful as any vaccination.
Pertussis was in decline before vaccines were developed because the human organism had evolved to deal with the disease and develop immunity. Vaccines were never needed. You have more chance of liver disease with vaccines than without them and the use of vaccines for cervical cancer on young girls is criminal given how many have died and how experimental the vaccine is.
Would you like to talk about chemicals in vaccines that concern you one by one and discuss how the body processes them?
Yes, I did see the delusional move by California and it just makes me enormously glad not to be American and not to live in California. I am sure many Americans are also relieved they do not live in California. But since it is impossible to force vaccination it makes not a whit of difference anyway. People will just home-school, another questionable practice, but what choice do they have, and make other arrangements for childcare. You don’t have subsidised childcare in the US, I don’t think so it is pretty irrelevant anyway.
Since it is impossible to have 99% vaccination worldwide; impossible to force 99% vaccination in democratic societies – look how poorly Americans do with seatbelts for heaven’s sake so forcing vaccines will never, ever, ever happen. Apart from which, one state or even ten is meaningless. In addition, without 99% worldwide in an age of air travel there is always exposure and that means whether 5% or 50% of people in a given society are not vaccinated, is irrelevant.
And even if freedom of choice were removed in the entire US, a total betrayal of freedom and democracy, people would just ignore it, as they do so many things. The good news on that count is that there will be some in the society with optimal health in decades to come as the full destructive nature of vaccination is realised.
It will all be fine.
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So, what is the methodology for the study by the German researcher?
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As good as any other methodology, Ian. Trust me, if you sifted through the methodology which supports vaccination from official sources you would not be comforted.
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http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2014/03/17/randomized-controlled-trials-rcts-a-flawed-gold-standard/
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Ian, in terms of the gold standard:
Quote: A new report (PDF) that CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding has delivered to the powerful House Appropriations Committee casts new light — and new doubt — on the data and methodology that the CDC used in its landmark 2003 study that found no link between mercury in vaccines and autism, ADHD, speech delay or tics.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/cdc-vaccine-study-used-fl_b_108462.html
Quote: Oct. 31, 2006 — An independent analysis by the internationally renowned Cochrane Collaboration of worldwide influenza vaccine studies, published in the British Medical Journal on Oct. 28, concluded there is little scientific proof that inactivated influenza vaccine is safe and effective for children and adults. Citing the Cochrane Collaboration finding as well as methodological flaws in a child influenza vaccine study published Oct. 25 in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), the National Vaccine Information Center is calling on the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) to stop recommending annual flu shots for all infants and children until methodologically sound studies are conducted.
http://www.nvic.org/nvic-archives/pressrelease/influenza-vaccine-safety.aspx
http://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccine-mccarthyism-what-if-the-vaccine-paradigm-itself-is-deliberately-flawed/5427768
Quote:Considering that there are many studies conducted by independent researchers which show a relationship between Thimerosal and neurodevelopmental disorders, the results of the six studies examined in this review, particularly those showing the protective effects of Thimerosal, should bring into question the validity of the methodology used in the studies. A list of the most common methodological issues with these six studies is shown in Table 1. Importantly, other than the Hviid et al. [23] study, five of the publications examined in this review were directly commissioned by the CDC, raising the possible issue of conflict of interests or research bias, since vaccine promotion is a central mission of the CDC. Conceivably, if serious neurological disorders are found to be related to Thimerosal in vaccines, such findings could possibly be viewed as damaging to the vaccine program.
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/247218/
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Dear RosRoss,
I think you’re a cool person, and I appreciate the offline conversations we’ve had so please don’t take this in anyway personally, but this looks like every other post you’ve made where you cite an avalanche of secondary sources’ evaluations of primary researchers’ comments. The secondary source doesn’t point out the researchers’ conclusions, and by the time the information gets to you (since you don’t read the primary source), it has been distorted. When challenged, you punt to hyperbolic statements alluding to the pervasive corruption of one group or another that invalidates our ability to draw any conclusions at all. I’ve read through so many of these links that you post only to find that the actual science cited in no way supports the stated contention. It is so time consuming that I have to stop. If you’d ever like to discuss specific concerns, on- or offline, I’d be happy to. But I think you’re writing for your own echo chamber. (Again, nothing personal, I think you’re a nice person.)
I’ve come to realize that you’re probably not interested in convincing me that you’re right so I’ll stop trying to engage you in a meaningful conversation. But, thinking about the actual growth of your movement, if you could convince me—and people like me— you would have a watershed moment and change the manner in which healthcare is approached on this planet.
If any of this means something to you, could you, just for say a month, only read primary sources. That means something published on PubMed or otherwise in a peer reviewed source? Your public library probably has a subscription to PubMed?
All best,
Ian
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Ian,
No offence taken. None of this is personal.
You seem to labour under the misconception I have not read what you call official sources. I have and many of the links, while taking one to a ‘non-official’ source, provide links to those official sources but you would have to read them to know that.
No, I am not interested in convincing you or anyone because it is not a matter of convincing. This entire issue, more so in your country than mine because you have a great deal of forced vaccination, is about freedom of choice and the ability of individuals to make their own medical decisions.
I have read the official sources and I have read the other side. I have also put a lot of time into studying the functions of the body, physiology, biology, psychology etc., and when I read the other side it makes far more sense to me. However, I have always made up my own mind about health and medical issues, based on information and common sense, and my approach to vaccination is no different.
I believe in this day and age, and particularly in the US, which means it has no personal impact on me, people are over-medicated, over-vaccinated, over-treated, over-tested, over-exposed to chemicals, many of which are banned in the rest of the developed world; subject to over-processed and poorly produced food, and that we have reached a point, with iatrogenic as the third biggest killer, where one of the most dangerous lifestyle choices one can make is to see a doctor.
I don’t belong to a movement. I may be one among many who question Allopathic medicine and all of its many ‘snake oil solutions,’ and who believe that holistic medicine is healthier than the cut it/drug it/vaccinate approach, but that is not an organised movement. It is simply a growing group of human beings who are applying common sense and reason to their health.
And it will change healthcare, sourced in the profit-driven drug/science/medical industry and that will be in everyone’s interests.
Take care. I hope you and yours are robust enough to survive vaccinations and you are open-minded enough and free enough from fear, to realise it does not matter how many opt not to vaccinate.
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This is the industry supposedly sourced in ‘gold standard’ research which also brings you vaccines!! Little wonder iatrogenic is now the third biggest killer. Why would anyone think they would do differently with vaccines.
Quote: A recent study about institutional corruption of pharmaceuticals and the myth of safe and effective drugs, warns that over the past 35 years, patients have suffered from a largely hidden epidemic of side effects from drugs that usually have few, offsetting benefits.
The study, published in the Journal of Law, Medicine and Ethics,* conducted by Light, Lexchin and Darrow, warns that the pharmaceutical industry has corrupted the practice of medicine through its influence over what drugs are developed, how they are tested, and how medical knowledge is created.
http://nsnbc.me/2014/02/10/harvard-scientists-warn-about-epidemic-of-side-effects-due-to-corruption/
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Quote: It is lazy language to say that vaccines are “safe and effective”, because that implies that all vaccines are safe and effective for all people. In fact, some vaccines have done great harm. If you doubt this, read the findings of the Vaccine Court, which has paid out around $3.0 billion to children for adverse reactions which admits were caused by vaccines. Go to http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/opinion-search and search for “measles-mumps-rubella” or “influenza”. And read the package inserts that come with vaccine boxes. You may also read them online at http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts
In Europe only the polio vaccine is mandatory. Dr. Geier supports vaccination against polio. However, he is adamantly opposed to flu vaccines. The flu vaccine given almost universally uses Thimerosal as a preservative. Each dose of Thimerosal contains 25 micrograms of ethyl mercury. Multiplied by Avogadro’s Number, 25 mcg = 75 quadrillion atoms of mercury.
25 x 10-6 / 200 x 6.02 x 10-23
10-6 x 10-23 = 10-17
25 / 200 x 6.02 = .7525
.7525 x 10-17 = 7.5 x 10-16 = 75 x 10-15 =
75,000,000,000,000,000 = 75 quadrillion
The only safe amount of mercury is zero, and using mercury as a preservative is reckless, especially since it is given yearly, even to pregnant mothers, even though the package insert admits that the MMR has not been tested for fetal safety in pregnant women. Mercury passes through the placenta and into the fetus. There are flu vaccines which are mercury free.
The flu vaccine is big business, particularly the ones containing mercury. Some 300 million doses are sold, while only 20 million doses of all other vaccines are sold. In 1986 the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Programmade vaccine manufacturers immune from most liability, and in 2011 the Supreme Court twisted the plain language of the Vaccine Act to make vaccine manufacturers, hospitals, and physicians completely immune from absolutely ALL liability, reasoning that vaccines in general – using the language of the Court – are “unavoidably unsafe”.
Dr. Geier points out that all flu vaccines are illegal. All vaccines must pass two double blind tests for safety and effectiveness. Because a new vaccine is developed each year in advance of the flu season, and because each vaccine assumes a prediction of which strains of flue will be present, there is no time to two double blind studies, which would take several years.
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=12072
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what actually is lazy is the scare tactic in using lengthy math to compute something that applies to a small percentage of vaccines. For 1 no new vaccines has had it used as a preservative since 2001. The flu shot only uses thimerosal in the big bottles. The little one use bottles don’t need them. I wager all of us put plenty more toxins into our bodies each day then the level of thimerosal are ever exposed to even if you were a flu shot regular.
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If you read he entire article you will see that the danger issues with vaccines go far beyond Thimerosal.
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Ian Howell,
Quote: THE TROUBLE WITH ALUMINUM
Aluminum has been added to vaccines since about 1926 when Alexander Glenny and colleagues noticed it would produce better antibody responses in vaccines than the antigen alone. Glenny figured the alum was inducing what he called a “depot effect” – slowing the release of the antigen and heightening the immune response. For 60 years his theory was accepted dogma. And over the same time, the vaccine schedule grew decade on decade, but few ever questioned the effects of injecting aluminum into the body, which is strange considering its known toxicity.
A PubMed search on aluminum and “toxicity” turns up 4,258 entries. Its neurotoxicity is well documented. It affects memory, cognition, psychomotor control; it damages the blood brain barrier, activates brain inflammation, depresses mitochondrial function and plenty of research suggests it is a key player in the formation of the amyloid “plaques” and tangles in the brains of Alzheimer’s patients. It’s been implicated in Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis and autism and demonstrated to induce allergy.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/attacking-ourselves-top-doctors-reveal-vaccines-turn-our-immune-system-against-us
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delius1967,
I said: perhaps explain why all of the diseases for which children were vaccinated were in decline before vaccines were developed. ”
And you replied:
That’s easy. They weren’t. The morbidity rate of (for example) measles remained exactly the same up until a vaccine for it was introduced, and then plummeted in the decade following. That pattern is repeated for every single vaccine-preventable disease. Every. Single. One.
Wrong. Disease and morbidity rates were in decline in developed countries with access to good sanitation and nutrition before vaccines.
In fact after vaccines rates rose and for instance, measles, a generally harmless childhood disease, but more severe in adults, became more of a problem after vaccination (as did others) because the disease in children, confers lifelong immunity and so is not an issue in adulthood. Vaccines do not confer lifelong immunity and more adults began to succumb to the disease and still do.
The major factor was improved sanitation and nutrition. I agree. It was not medical care since the diseases require little more than a few days in bed which was the case for my children, myself, my parents, my grandparents, living in a country where optimal nutrition and sanitation were in place.
Antibiotics are not required for measles, mumps, chicken pox etc.
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I got so tired of hearing about how non-vaccinated children were spreading disease that I felt compelled to write what I experienced when we had a whooping cough epidemic in our town.
http://blogs.naturalnews.com/happened-non-immunized-children-whooping-cough-broke/
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Why do people that are pro vaccination fail to see that people lie and these huge medical corporations will lie and submit false data to further line their pockets with money? Its called people lie and will do anything to make money as its sadly what makes the world go round.
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Reblogged this on NightStar and commented:
Why Unvaccinated Kids Are MORE Protected Against Disease
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Best book you will ever read about how diseases were REALLY eradicated and they had NOTHING to do with vaccines.
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I am not trying to troll you nor being snarky. You are either not a very good writer or are too passionate on this subject to articulate a decent persuasive argument. Frankly you come across as a arrogant loon making random references that you pass off supportive evidence. This type of writing does more harm to your position than it does good as it makes you look like the nut-job that they think you are anyway. Why don’t you consider using whatever evidence you may want to include in place of your sanctimonious condescension? You are not doing anyone any good here.
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Now if we could just kick the law in CA to the curb that requires vaccines for public school… I wish everyone had this mind set when it came to injecting our kids 😁
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