Dear Mom Who Thinks I Need to Vaccinate My Kids Against Measles

shutterstock_157245107Guest Post by Lazarus T. Jones

Yeah, I’m totally going there. I know this vaccination subject is pretty touchy with the undertones of intolerance, discrimination, and bigotry and all, but after seeing a letter written to a “mom who decided not to vaccinate her kids against measles,” I just couldn’t sit by while parents are thrown under the bus and innocent kids get sick and die.

To be perfectly frank, I was a bit offended that this letter wasn’t written to dads too but for the sake of prioritizing stupid, there are more important things to address…like the fact that kids in this country do not “get sick and die” from measles. Hello? When was the last time a kid died from measles in America? Here’s a clue…it wasn’t yesterday. Disney ain’t deadly and neither are the measles.

So here goes.

Dear Mom who thinks I should vaccinate my kid against the measles,
I get it. You’re like a mama bear. A mama bear that spends a little too much time watching CNN and reading anti-vaxxer hate articles on TIME. Ain’t nobody subjecting my kiddo to a bullshit rash!

I totally agree. We should all protect our children from anything that’s going to hurt them. So I hope you don’t mind that I demand a little something more from the scientific community before I shoot my kid up with a harmful vaccine that doesn’t work. You know…like studies that aren’t done by the makers of the vaccines or the “Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation” and studies that aren’t manipulated by the CDC. My kid is worth a proper safety study and so is yours. At least I think so.

But go ahead … walk down the street and tackle my kid to the ground and shove a big ole shot in his leg with the MMR vaccine. I’ll shove a big ole lawsuit in your face. You wouldn’t want me to tackle your child to the ground because he’s not in quarantine for six weeks after receiving a live vaccine, would you? You know … to protect MY baby bear.

Oh wait, you didn’t know live vaccines shed? They do and here’s the thing: some kids are immunocompromised. They can’t receive the MMR vaccine and they can’t be around recently vaccinated children either. (Read that sentence again … very slowly.)

My child has cancer so when your super healthy vaccinated kid (try not to laugh) sheds and infects my kid with vaccine strain measles, guess what happens to my kid?

HE DIES.

As in gone forever. (FYI, I’m using the same warped creative license you used to make your point. None of my kids actually have cancer.)

So thank God I didn’t risk my perfectly healthy child’s life by giving him a shot that has NEVER been proven safe or effective, could put a cancer patient at risk, and could put him in the immunocompromised category everyone is blubbering on about. Thank God I put my child first. We’d have a problem if I didn’t.

Since you brought up MMR and autism in your letter as if this was the only reason one would choose not to vaccinate, I felt it necessary to bring a few things to your attention. Did you know the MMR vaccine can cause brain encephalitis and brain encephalitis causes autism? Of course you didn’t. You admitted that you didn’t do your research and what do all of those parents with vaccine-injured children know? They were just parents who (like you) followed the CDC’s vaccination schedule only to end up with neurologically damaged children for life.

Actually, they’re really space aliens whose kids get paid a bajillon dollars to “pretend” to be autistic. It’s all a huge elaborate fraud. Except that it’s not. The only elaborate fraud is the fact that the CDC manipulated the studies that show vaccines don’t cause autism. Dr. Thompson, a senior research scientist at the CDC admitted it and no major media outlet picked it up. They’re too busy reporting on a rash.

But the CDC says there is no “causal connection” between autism and the MMR vaccine. How convenient. I guess we should all pack up, go home, and vaccinate our kids…said no parent with a functioning brain ever.

The CDC says there’s a relationship between mitochondrial disease and autism. (I’m one of those stupid parents who got their children genetically tested for this mutation when I was deciding whether or not to vaccinate.) Page 11 of the insert for the Tripedia vaccine we had as kids lists autism as an adverse reaction. Brain encephalopathy, encephalitis, and neurological damage are listed as possible adverse reactions on every single vaccine package insert (I hope you haven’t left reading the package inserts up to the “professionals” too.)

Children have been awarded money for suffering autism post-vaccine. Scientists at the CDC have admitted to manipulating autism studies so that parents won’t question the safety of the MMR vaccine. Oh, and then there are thousands of alien parents whose children just woke up one day with autism.

While we’re talking about the CDC, let’s just see what the experts have to say about measles, shall we?

Measles is an illness characterized by a generalized rash lasting ≥3 days, a temperature of ≥101°F [≥38.3°C], and cough, coryza, and/or conjunctivitis.”

You mean it’s not a death sentence? No. It’s a rash. Do you want to vaccinate your kid and subject them to neurological damage or death…for a RASH? I guess it’s your choice. The CDC’s clinical definition is based off of how measles presents in the office setting. Go ahead. Ask a doctor who has actually seen measles (in America). I dare you.

Maybe you’re thinking I’m being all melodramatic about this, but here’s another little thing being used to manipulate parents like you:

The CDC says measles can be dangerous (but of course, the MMR vaccine is perfectly safe). They just leave out the “in third-world countries” part. Then they make some blanket statement about children having to be treated in hospitals but if you dig a little further my friends, you’ll find out these hospitalizations were for diarrhea and dehydration. Gasp!

It’s true; measles could cause pneumonia, lifelong brain damage, deafness, and death. (So could countless other things we care nothing about and don’t vaccinate for.) But it doesn’t…at least according to the CDC’s MMWR data that everyone fails to read. Hey, do you know what’s more likely to cause brain damage, deafness, pneumonia, and death? The MMR vaccine.

And guess what, I already knew this, but there is a handful of kids who can’t be vaccinated for all sorts of reasons, like kids who are less than one and are no longer protected against measles because we vaccinate their mommies with junk MMR vaccines, kids who are allergic to the shots, and kids with immune system problems (oh wait, these kids can be vaccinated with MMR according to the CDC).

Yes, there are a few kiddos out there whose parents would LOVE to get them vaccinated but can’t. I’m sorry. (Actually, I’m not because I think your kid is better off without vaccines.) There are also a lot of parents who wish they could take back their decision to vaccinate…but they can’t.

So no, I will not vaccinate my kiddos. I will not avoid public places. I will also not put up with the intolerant sewage and bigotry coming out of your mouth or anyone else’s who thinks they have the right to weigh-in on my parenting. You want to vaccinate your kiddo and put every single child at risk? You go right ahead.

We can still be friends but don’t take it personal when I avoid your recently vaccinated child for 3-6 weeks until the risk of viral shedding has passed and don’t be mad when I call your bluff when you say you’ll assault my unvaccinated child on the street when your temporary junk immunity to measles has long worn off. Whoa, you didn’t know you were just as much of a risk to that immunocompromised kid as my child is? Better get your booster.

And oh, by the way, if this Disney measles outbreak taught you anything, it’s that the vaccinated can get measles and it is no more deadly than your seasonal sinus infection.

Signed,
Lazarus T. Jones
A Dad who didn’t vaccinate his children because he didn’t use “not being a scientist” as an excuse to opt out of making an informed decision.

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1,018 thoughts on “Dear Mom Who Thinks I Need to Vaccinate My Kids Against Measles

  1. I am a pediatrician by training, and would like to state first and foremost that I truly do sympathize with your desire to protect your children and do what’s best for them. We are on the same team. That being said, I regret having read this particular blog post as it actually decreases my empathy for your cause, and now I feel I must respond. There is so much logical fallacy, inaccuracy, and outright hypocrisy in this post and in the responses that follow that I don’t quite know where to begin, so I’ll just address one point that no one seems to have addressed yet. You state in your post that one of the side effects listed to the MMR vaccine is encephalitis, which, on superficial reading, sounds KIND OF like autism. (Encephalitis is not autism. Autism is a developmental disability, and encephalitis is an infection or an inflammation of the brain. Very different.) That being said – do you know what else causes encephalitis, and at a much higher frequency than the vaccine? Measles. This complication is not just a complication found in countries with poorer sanitation and medical care. If you get measles, you are at risk for this complication.

    Medicine, and much of life in general, is about weighing the risks and benefits of an intervention. We (the medical community) are not claiming that these vaccines are wholly without risks. What we are putting forth is that the risks to these vaccines is much lower than the risks of the illnesses they are preventing to both your child and to the children and adults around them who may be at an increased risk of complications from these diseases.

    Additionally, several posters reported that there are no good studies evaluating the adverse effects of vaccines when, in fact, the FDA and the companies producing the vaccines (and any medical product) have several mechanisms in place for reporting adverse events so that new medications may be evaluated constantly for possible adverse effects that would cause them to be limited in their use or taken off of the market.

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    1. Since these anti Vax people believe anecdote : last year in my so calif town our Waldorf school had 5 cases of Whooping cough. 25% of the parents had not vaccinated. 2 weeks ago an infant died of whooping cough. Medical guidelines recommend that all adult contacts to a newborn be vaccinated w/ tDap. One wasn’t. Calif is undergoing an outbreak of whooping cough. Non vaccinated children should not be allowed to attend school. Public or private.

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      1. Actually the problem bill is that the cdc recommends a booster for whooping cough because it doesn’t work as long as they thought, so anyone without the booster can get and spread whooping cough. Better keep everyone home and locked up. Sorry can’t blame the unvaccinated for this one bill. Nice try though.

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      2. All children should be allowed to go to school. Vaccinated or not. If you DON’T like it, keep your kids homeschooled.
        What’s next? Segregation?
        Oh wait…that already happened. Because people who think they are superior only proves they are ignorant.

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      3. It’s not a matter of anyone thinking they’re superior. It’s a matter of preventing people from endangering others. Racial segregation is wrong because it inflicts damage on people for something they did not choose and have no control over. On the other hand, society has a right and a responsibility to set limits on whether your actions or choices are allowed to affect others and put them in harm’s way. By your logic, there shouldn’t be an laws against drunk driving, either, as everyone has the right to make that choice for themselves.
        Please don’t even try to compare yourself to actual oppressed minorities. It just makes you look arrogant and whiny.

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      4. I was vaccinated in the 80’s for pertussis as were both my siblings. We all got whooping cough. I babysat a little girl in the 90’s who got whooping cough months after her vaccination. One of my employees had to stay home with her son last year because he had whooping cough. He had been vaccinated two years before. My point…even vaccinated kids and adults can get whooping cough. Maybe everyone should “stay out of public an private schools”.

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      5. So, 25% of the kids who got whooping cough had not been vaccinated. So, 75% of the kids WERE vaccinated then. Doesn’t that make you realize how useless they are? There were outbreaks of it in two of the nursery schools that my son attended, and not one case was in a nonvaccinated child. I hear the same thing all the time.

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      6. We live in southern California and actually we homeschool. You want an anecdote? Here’s ours. Our twin sons, now 9 were born micro preemies in NICU for the first 3 months and so we’re more careful than most about their health. More aware than most about our blessings. We chose to vaccinate. Yet at 5 years of age, our twins developed whopping cough. It happens, the doctors told us. Luckily they were only sick for about 10 days. Time past, they continued with all their vaccinations. Fast forward to this past summer. First one twin then the other fell sick. Fever, wracking cough, trouble breathing, etc. Starting with the first day and continuing for 2 weeks we made daily trips to the pediatricians office. They were placed on antibiotics, steroids, abuteral machines, the works. Finally we ended up for a week in the children’s hospital where the decision was made to sedate the boys and take lung samples. The samples came back positive for…whooping cough. How? How, I asked could children who are fully vaccinated contract a disease not once but twice? And the doctor, the head of infectious diseases told us that whooping cough is one of the weakest vaccines there is. And here’s the kicker, after we were released and home recovering, our local health dept. sent out an packet of information (after speaking to my husband on the phone) and the cover letter informed us that whooping cough is preventable! That as parents we needed to vaccinate our child…I wanted to scream. Now I feel as though the entire thing is nothing more than as mass of lies. Scare tactics they are using on parents, because of course we love our children but what are we not being told???

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      7. Let’s see. The doctor told you the truth, yet you think the whole thing is nothing more than a mass of lies. The pertussis vaccine is not as good as we’d like it to be. Still, it’s about 80% effective. I’m sorry your twins fell into the wrong end of that statistic, but since they also developed whooping cough again a few years after they’d had it before, it seems that maybe they just don’t develop good immunity to it, no matter what. They would be a couple of the reasons we need everyone who can to be vaccinated – to protect those who can’t, or who don’t develop immunity one way or another. Community immunity is very important for them, to keep the disease from circulating and getting to them. I hope they can avoid a recurrence and stay well.

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      8. In my acupuncture clinic, I saw a 12 year old girl who had had all her vaccines. She was up to date with all of them. Despite being fully “vaccinate” she had a horrible cough. The mom kept saying it was pertussis. The doctors didn’t believe it as she was vaccinated. After a month, they finally capitulated and agreed it was pertussis. So even fully vaccinated people can get pertussis.

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      9. My son and daughter were not vaccinated against whooping cough. Their cousin, with whom they played almost EVERY day, was fully vaccinated, boosters and all, against everything. (I picked and chose my vaccines). That poor child got whooping cough at least three times. She was a very sickly child and actually caught just about everything. My children, in spite of playing with her almost every day and being constantly exposed to her, did not. They each had a mild case of measles (one age 4 years, the other at 4 months) and so got lifetime immunity. Their measles-vaccinated cousin caught a horrible case of it (rash was in her mouth and vagina – ugh!) And neither of my kids EVER missed a day of school due to illness. That’s right – no colds (maybe 2 in 10 years of childhood) no flu ever until they were teenagers and diet was a little less careful. None – that’s right, not ONE – ear infection ever. BUT my children were on a natural food diet, no preservatives, mostly organic and had been breast fed for 17 months each. If there was something going around, we upped their daily dosages of vitamin C and oregano oil was given at first sign of possible cold or infection. And since I had had ALL the childhood diseases, I passed onto them my immunities. Vaccine-induced immunities cannot be passed in breast milk. You know what people – take care of your childrens’ health by using common sense and healthy diets. Then you don’t have to depend on artificial means to do it. The body has a marvelous immune system already in place – try not to mess with it too much. There are many less-invasive and easier ways to stay healthy. I am not against vaccines, but I do believe in “first do no harm.” If there were NO perils to using a vaccination, my kids would have them all. But vaccine manufacturers are protected against lawsuits resulting from vaccine damage. That means they are not accountable for their product’s safety. This raises a red flag for me. If vaccines are 100% safe, why is this legislation in place?

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      10. But that means 75% of the kids WERE vaccinated. So how is that vaccine effective? And was the child who died vaccinated or not?

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      11. according to the MMRW encephalitis from measles is about 1/1000-2000. Statistically not much greater than being struck by lightening in a lifetime. So I will take my chances with measles. My generation had them and I never knew anyone who was ill for more than a few days. SO if 25% that got pertussis were unvaccinated you must then be saying that the other 75% that got it were vaccinated. Again I will take my chances with that one too. Been there done that my mother had it when young and no one else got it in the family. Unvaccinated family that is.

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      12. I know of a case where 10 kids were admitted to an emergency room at a hospital with whooping cough and 9 or the 10 were vaccinated! What is your point? I have also seen countless people at work get Flu shots and end up contracting the worst flu of the season. Meanwhile some of us who have never had Flu shots in our lives were rubbing shoulders with them and never contracted it! How do you work that one out?? I know a guy who never gets the flu and he never ever has flu shots!

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      1. Lorraine, this is Exactally what I’m saying. Yes it is recommended that children get vaccinated for whooping cough. Adults over 50 should get a tDap. The p stands for Pertussis= whooping cough. Pertussis antibody titers tend to wane as people age. Pregnant women should get re vaccinated and anyone who comes in contact w/ the infant should get tDap. Infants and the elderly are very susceptible to fatal complications from pertusis. Unfortunately because of the anti-vax movement more infants are and will be coughing themselves to death in the hospital. This is so tragic, because they have no say in the matter. There is a new pneumonia vaccine, prevnar 13 that the elderly should be boosted with. It enhances cellular immunity. As the science of immunology progresses the vaccine schedules will be modified. I am currently working on a policy for our local homeless young mother/ children shelter. Because of the infants who reside there , all employees must be immunized w/ tDap.

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    2. I was able to read on the CDC site that in the past 10 years it was Reported that 85 people died from the MMR vaccine and yet out of the 1,564 cased reported of measles here in the US in the past 10 years no one died, not saying this alone is the reason to not get vaccinated I but I would rather deal with the consequences of measles over the potential for death. there is so much to be said and I will stop at that, you really need to do so deeper research and stop just believing the “mechanisms” put in place to ensure safety of vaccines since on the whole they benefit financially in the use and push of vaccinations.

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      1. I understand how that can sound like a scary statistic, but there are millions of children vaccinated each year. So if the 85 reported deaths is true (and I’m not saying it wasn’t, but I was unable to find that statistic in my quick search), that would mean a mortality rate of less than 0.001%. The reason there have been no deaths from measles in the US is in part because of our high vaccination rate. The WHO website reports that in 2013 alone, there have been about 145 700 deaths worldwide from measles, mostly in young children.

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      2. Your comment aside (although you make a good point), I’d be willing to bet that the reason you can’t find that 85 deaths statistic on the CDC site is that she pulled it from VAERS, where anything can be reported and nothing has yet been confirmed. VAERS is the very beginning of part of vaccine surveillance, and nothing there can be taken as a meaningful statistic.

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      3. Just want to point out that death is inevitable and can not be planned. You could die today walking across the street. I hope that you don’t, but it’s likely. It’s actually more likely than someone getting autism from getting the MMR vaccine. Because people can’t get autism from the MMR vaccine.

        Also fun fact: Hotdogs kill 70 children each year. So a child is more likely to die from a hotdog than someone getting the MMR vaccine.

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      4. Since it appears that the CDC site that there are no deaths from MMR, how about providing a link to what you read, so the rest of us can see what you saw? You’ve said you want people to see both sides of the issue. How about showing us your information?

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      5. thirdwarning, Perhaps your time would be better spent actually reading a link like the one below, and paying special attention to the links in the article to peer-reviews, rather than discounting what everyone says while providing no proof of your own “facts.”. You keep calling for peer reviews but don’t bother to read them when provided.

        http://vaxtruth.org/2015/01/pertussis/

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      6. Well, Why should she, when she will not accept anything not from the CDC website? Because they ALWAYS share real-world information and look objectively at real vaccine adverse reactions whenever they are reported. That CDC bubble is the whole truth, don’t you know! Studies are done by always objective, completely unbiased non-human robot scientists and doctors who have no agendas or beliefs to protect. Forget those doctors and scientists who see beyond the facad and put their livelihoods, reputations, and professions on the line by questioning vaccines because they’ve seen injuries and studied vaccines and the immune system on their own time. They are all quacks…even if they aren’t. But they must be, because they don’t follow the status quo. 🙂

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      7. I’ll tell you what, when you figure out that it’s not about personality or individual scientists or doctors, or one or two studies that say what you want to believe, let’s talk. Science is all about replicable results. If you don’t have that, you don’t have anything. Most of the people you’re paying such close attention to don’t even have studies, let alone replicated results. Brave, maverick doctors are an interesting story idea in fiction. In real life, they need dozens of others to come up with the same results before those results mean anything.

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      8. Okay, I read that bit of propaganda you linked. I’d really like to know where in it you saw “peer reviews”. There was one, way down at the bottom, about the possibility of pertussis mutating. You do understand that it can only mutate if it’s circulating through the population, right? Your claim of mutation is essentially a reason for more people to be vaccinated, to prevent the growth and spread of the bacterium, so it won’t continue to mutate. Other than that, there were various unfounded statements from random antivaccine people, lies about Dr. Offit, and yet another misuse of the VAERS database. What was that about not reading peer reviews when offered? Show me some and I’ll look at them.
        In the meantime, if this is what you mean by evidence, it’s no wonder you’re so misinformed.
        Oh, and ‘chemfree’? You know that’s impossible, right?

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      9. Anonymous, go ahead and read it, but be aware that chemfreemom has already lied to you. Or maybe she just doesn’t know. Marcella Piper-Terry, the author of the article, is not a doctor. She is a biomedical consultant, which may just be her way of saying she recommends useless ‘treatments’ for autism, and holds an MS degree. Not MD, not DO, not a doctor. Sorry chemfreemom. Were you deceitful, or deceived?
        “So… it was known that the DTP (or DPT) vaccine was very dangerous.”
        No, it was *thought* that the DPT was very dangerous. Studies have since been done which show that the adverse effects claimed for it really weren’t because of the vaccine. It’s no longer in use, in any case.

        “We can speculate that one possible reason for parents pulling their child from a study might be due to the child having an adverse reaction, and the parent not wanting to take that risk again, but that would just be speculation on our part.”
        We’ll throw it in anyway, though, just to poison the well.
        A study will often list the reasons for participants dropping out of the study. I wonder why Ms Piper-Terry didn’t check that. I won’t assume I know her reasons, though, because I prefer to stick to things I actually have evidence for. Ah, as I read a bit farther, it seems she didn’t read the studies, but only the product inserts. So she really doesn’t have much information about those studies at all.

        Then we come to one of the favorite ploys of the antivaxxers – trying to claim reported adverse events as ‘side effects’. Pay close attention to the last sentence in this quotation from the insert:
        “Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.”

        In other words, these are things that happened some time after the child was given the vaccine. There is literally nothing but temporal coincidence to tie them to the shot. They are not side effects, but Marcella is happy to try to manipulate the information to convince you that they are.

        Of course, there are very few AV lies that Marcella won’t stoop to. The big old whopper about Dr. Offit: “He has stated that infants can receive 10,000 vaccines in a single day without any problem.”
        Again, a lie and Marcella knows it. What he said was that, given the number of antigens in the average vaccine, and the number an infant is exposed to on a daily basis, a baby’s immune system could deal with the number of antigens in 10,000 vaccines in one day. It was his response to the idea that four or five vaccines at once ‘overwhelm’ a baby’s immune system. Marcella prefers to simply repeat the lie and vilify this man, because she happens not to like his stance on vaccines. I wonder why she doesn’t feel that the truth would be sufficient.
        And no, his salary is not paid by Merck and Ms Piper-Terry knows absolutely nothing about endowments at universities.

        There’s really not room here to refute every point in this article, but given the tenuous connection with the truth shown so far, I think it should be pretty clear that the author of this article is not only misinformed, but willing to say just about anything, true or not, and no matter how nasty, to try to support her beliefs.

        I will leave this with one last quotation from Ms Piper-Terry, illustrating her total lack of objectivity on the subject of both vaccination and medical providers as a whole:
        “I have been thinking this morning about the parallels between vaccine-injury and sexual assault..(Here she includes a lurid description of a rape on a college campus)..Coerced or forced vaccination of our children is in many ways similar to medical rape….And just like the rape-victim in this morning’s radio story, we are continually re-traumatized when we encounter the rapist in public – in our churches, in the grocery store, at PTA meetings and community gatherings.

        The medical rapist is empowered by laws that protect him (or her) from liability. There are no consequences when they harm us or our children and this has emboldened them to become even more callous in their actions.”

        Is this really someone whose opinion you want to trust?

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      10. My pediatrician is very pro-vaccine. I am not anti-vaccine, but I do think they should be stretched out more than they are. I feel very strongly that children should not have more than one vaccine every 4-6 weeks. I think that would put a lot more people on both sides more at ease. That being said, my pediatrician has pointed out to me repeatedly that the statistics on death after a vaccine are skewed. If the person died in a car wreck but had the vaccine within a certain period of time in relation to the wreck then that is noted as a death related to the vaccine. If that is so, the related death rate for a vaccine might actually be much lower.

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      11. Bill, I couldn’t reply to your post because there was no “reply’ link under it, so I’m replying here instead. I know the media blames people aren’t vaccinated for any outbreak of any disease, but here is some factual information about how the increase in Pertussis is caused by “shift” in the virus that causes it. It has scientific references to. Even if you think this doctor doesn’t know what she’s talking about, read the studies she referenced.

        http://vaxtruth.org/2015/01/pertussis/

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      12. There’s actually a big problem with your statistic and that is context. The last 10 years have had little to no problems with measles because measles was declared eradicated in the US in the year 2000 (15 years ago). So naturally, the correlation of deaths reported after taking an MMR vaccine (whether the vaccine caused it or not is unimportant in this context) would increase while the deaths reported from the disease itself is significantly low in the past 10 years.

        Look further back to when measles was actually a problem, when there wasn’t a vaccine for it and compare what it did then to what it can do now. The pre-MMR era let measles rampage heavily through the population.

        http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html

        When the disease was first being reported, measles was related to the deaths of 6000 people every year. The majority of the population was infected, children of which were almost all infected by age 15. That’s huge compared to the post-eradication era that your zero-death and low infection statistic relates to.

        http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/measles

        The vaccine was licensed in 1963, made better in 1968, and combined into the MMR vaccine in 1971. By 1981, the first 14 weeks of this year would have only 778 cases reported. The same 14 weeks in 1980 would have 3897 cases. That’s 80% less cases in one years time. (Just for clarity, it’s cases that doctors record and report, not the public report on their own). If you compare 1981 (post-vaccine) to 1953-1963 (pre-vaccine), that’s going from 3-4 millions infected each year down to roughly 778 infections in 3.5 months (about 2667 infections if that rate continued through the year).

        Mind you this is only the numbers for deaths.

        Now with the context of the statistic in place, I hope you see both how dangerous measles can actually be and how effective the vaccine has been.

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    3. WELL SAID!

      I notice he didn’t worry about children that are infectious before the symptoms of measles appear and the danger they pose to the imuno suppressed

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    4. Dear Anonymous, I mean no offense in saying that individuals trained in Pediatrics especially, are among some of the most MISinformed people of all with regard to vaccines. I didn’t say UNinformed, I said MISinformed. I don’t mean to disrespect your intelligence or level of education, but what you don’t realize yet — but I believe some day you will — is that what you’ve been taught is just not correct in terms of what works best for maintaining the natural health of human beings. Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, who was a Pediatrician for more than 30 years, and who wrote “How to Raise a Healthy Child In Spite of Your Doctor” suggests that people not even take their children to Pediatricians at all, but to a family doctor instead, because one purposes of Pediatrics is to push vaccines and follow the vaccine schedule. I’m sure you’re very good at what you’ve learned to do, but I, and more and more doctors every day, just don’t agree at a core level that it is in the best interest of children. After moving to the state I currently live in, I met two doctors right off the bat who supported my decision not to vaccinate. One who was a family medical doctor working for the state university, didn’t start vaccinating her own child until he was in 5th grade, one per year, and ONLY so he could attend public school for high school. People who haven’t really done the research on this topic, from the opposite perspective, seem to think the whole movement was started by either Jenny McCarthy, or Dr. Andrew Wakefield, and that a lot of the information comes from parents who had the tragic experience of losing their child to Autism. However, I’ve researched this topic for over 5 years now, and I can tell you there are many, many well-respected and highly educated doctors, Epidemiogists, Immunologists, and other scientists and researchers who agree that vaccines cause more harm than good. They are hesitant to speak out because of the attacks to their reputations they receive. Though, encephalitis may happen rarely — little comfort if it happens to your child — what happens much more frequently is the destruction of the immune system to the point where it has become an expected part of childhood to have repeated ear infections, strep throat, ADHD, asthma, and food allergies etc. This wasn’t the case when I was a kid. We’ve traded allowing children to get these normal illnesses like mumps, measles and chicken pox, and obtaining life time NATURAL immunity in the process, for causing kids to have chronic health issues that can last a life time. This is not the first time that “science” got it wrong, and it won’t be the last. Science has also destroyed our food supply. What passes for food today doesn’t even resemble the natural whole foods we used to have, and the assault of that, and the drugs — of which vaccines are included — on our systems cause us to be ranked at only number 30 on the list of healthiest countries, far below many less developed nations. And, by the way, the hatred and vitriol directed at those of us who see health differently is also nothing new. Every major change in scientific viewpoint throughout history plays out the same way. Some experts and lay people start to question the status quo and are ignored, then ridiculed, then attacked before the new way of thinking reaches critical mass and becomes accepted. It’s how we progress as a species. Without people who are smart enough, and brave enough to question the status quo, we’d still be bloodletting and burning people at the stake. And, if you read below, you’ll see that I’ll be posting in reply to other posts, charts from the CDC itself that show that deaths from Measles had all but been eradicated before the vaccine even came out, and I’ll also post a label from the flu vaccine that warns you to stay away from those who’ve received the vaccine for 6 weeks because it can cause you to get the flu…

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      1. I find this sort of laughable… you want to discredit an actual doctor because you have done five years of your own research. However the decade of grueling education that has gone through centuries of testing and improving has someone misinformed. I am sorry to tell you but the idea that this phrase , “I can tell you there are many, many well-respected and highly educated doctors, Epidemiogists, Immunologists, and other scientists and researchers who agree that vaccines cause more harm than good.” is so wrong. For every one doctor the odds of dozens and dozens more that are just as respected disagree. All though I have never met a single doctor that has ever actually felt that way… because to be a doctor you actually understand how science works. that coming up with a hypothesis and testing and re testing are essential to get close to any truth. Nothing in the anti vaxx movement comes anywhere close to that. What I see is arm chair doctors that look at each others blogs while slamming the CDC the whole time. its silly. as is to call out a doctor with your ‘five years of research’. which didn’t cost you and arm and a leg. no real sacrifice. no competition. no criticism. Sorry but the one that sounds MISinformed (I’m not really sure talking down to anyone by implying they don’t understand the difference between un and mis is a bit silly…) is you.

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      2. Dear Anonymous, if you read below, you’ll also see that this mom who thinks she knows more about both science and medicine than all the experts, not to mention history, apparently can’t tell a chicken pox vaccine label from one for flu vaccine. Nor does she know the difference between mortality and morbidity.

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      3. Is this the same Dr. Robert Mendelsohn Who…

        “opposed water fluoridation, immunization, coronary bypass surgery, licensing of nutritionists, and screening examinations to detect breast cancer.”

        His 30 years experience is a joke, “Mendelsohn said that had practiced full-time from 1955 through 1966, held administrative jobs for about ten years, and resumed practicing in 1976 but saw only 6 to 12 patients per week.”

        Did you also refer to Dr. Andrew Jeremy Wakefield who is a British former surgeon and medical researcher, known for his fraudulent 1998 research paper in support of the now-discredited claim that there is a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.

        Look the reason we vaccinate, as you should, is because PEOPLE DIE IN MASS due to these illnesses. They don’t here in the US now for certain, BECAUSE WE VACCINATE.

        You would point to these guys up top and say, see what doctors are saying. My question is, 1) are they selling something or appearing on shows for money. 2) are they using said ways to make you fear something you shouldn’t. 3) is that fear causing you to follow them and their advice like a bad faith healer. Sounds like a YUP to me.

        Do the right thing, Vaccinate your kids for their sake and everyone elses.

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      4. Just out of curiosity, if strep throat is something new that’s only common since vaccines have become widespread, why do so many antivaccine commenters use scarlet fever as an example of diseases the disappeared without a vaccine?

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      5. Chemfreemom, I read the link you provided from vaxtruth.org and agree with the majority of Thirdwarning’s responses to it, so I won’t repeat those.

        I will, however, address another “peer-reviewed” paper that was cited in that blog post. The post, and the authors of the paper cited, reported some differences in the amygdala development in monkeys exposed to the US vaccine schedule and somehow connected that to autism. Now, I was unable to access that particular paper to evaluate it for myself, but I was able to find a response by additional researchers that was also published in that same peer-reviewed journal in which they outline the methodology for the study and the problems with it. I’ll link to the article so that you may read it yourself, but I’ll summarize here: Essentially, the study was too small (a total of 15 monkeys, only three in the unvaccinated group) to make any real conclusions about the results, the statistical analysis was performed in a biased manner, and the authors only formed their conclusion on a portion of the analysis that suited their goals.

        Here is the link to that response: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21499334

        The author of vaxtruth.org writes well and convincingly, but the information she provides is biased and/or outright incorrect. She only presents a small amount of information that suits her goals and fails to address the mountain of other data that disagrees with her. Please let me know if you would like some other resources containing information about vaccines from more reputable sources.

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      6. Did I read this correctly? Did you state that information comes from parents who have tragically LOST a child to Autism? Please tell me that this was a tragic mistake on your part, to equate an Autistic child with a lost child. I can’t even bring myself to type the word that lost actually represents.

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      7. You read it right, although the use of ‘lost’ is more like “I had the perfect child I deserved to have, and that child was stolen from me. I want him back.”
        Think of the old stories of changelings or babies being stolen by Gypsies.

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    5. Thank you! I’m an RN and agree 100%. I will never understand why people willingly ignore medical fact and evidence-based research. I’m all for reading in order to make the decision for yourself, but only searching for anti-vax articles (that aren’t even peer reviewed!) will NOT bring you to a balanced conclusion. Your comment is perfect.

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      1. Evidence based research? Where? The vaccine inserts say there have not been ‘adequate’ studies performed. And bi-pharma is immune from lawsuits. Hmmmm

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      2. Anonymous, I didn’t see Thirdwarning’s response, but as to what you said, that is exactly what scientists who question the vaccine policy say about the reviews done by the CDC and the pharmaceutical companies. They are clearly biased so much of the time and they pick and choose which information they are going to focus on, or even to include, all to protect the reputation of vaccines. That’s why you have to actually read the studies because the abstracts are always biased, it can’t be helped because it’s human nature to focus on what supports your belief. I read a great paper last year, based on Thomas Merton’s ideas about how scientific revolutions happen, it talked about how the evidence on either side is not as important as the endorsements. Because each side interprets the evidence with their own slant. Endorsements by popular or well-respected organizations,however, are more reported by the media, and influence what the average person and scientists alike believe. And, 99% of the people in the endorsing organizations have no idea about what the facts are, they just believe the literature that their employers put out. He also said that science is not really all that objective. Vaccines have the endorsement of most doctors, the government, the media and on and on. At least for now. You might say, “well, that’s because they work,” but even if that were true, it doesn’t mean they’re safe as they stand. And, they’re definitely not safe for all of the children they’re given to. But, because of all of the endorsements they’ve had for so long, and because the media will not even report objectively on studies that show there might be a problem, and because any expert who dares question them gets destroyed, they’ve come to have an almost fanatic fan base. Vaccines fit the definition of a drug — a substance used to treat, cure or prevent an illness. Like all drugs it has inherent risks. What other drug have you ever heard of that is practically forced up every single member of a group, children in this case, without regard for their individual medical history, and in combination with other drugs at the same time, and what other drug has protections in place such that if it harms or kills someone, the manufacturer can’t be held accountable? It’s absurd. I used the word fanatic because you cannot even question them without being ridiculed or attacked, even if you are a scientist who’s had nothing but respect throughout your career. Question vaccines, and you’re a quack over night. That’s dangerous, you should always be able to question things, particularly where science is concerned.

        Oh, and all of the children whose lives were destroyed by them, no one seems to care about them because they simply refuse to believe it’s true. The parents who must be in unimaginable pain, are ridiculed and attacked too. I actually read a post on another thread to the mother of a vaccine-injured child, “I hope your kids get the Measles and die.” People who choose to show more caution or take another approach to health, usually don’t care what anyone else is doing, but we’re forced to get into this argument to defend our right to handle our child’s health in the way we think is best. I’d be happy to let you all believe in your viewpoint as deeply as you’d like, my son is protected because he’s got a super strong immune system and will fight off whatever he gets and be all the stronger for it. But when you — not you personally — start blaming my child for outbreaks and call to take my choice away, then it becomes impossible to keep my mouth shut.

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    6. My child developed encephalitis 6 hours after his two month immunizations. His pediatrician refused to allow him to not be exempt from four month immunizations, even though this adverse reaction is listed as a contraindication for subsequent vaccinations on vaccine manufacturers drug insert leaflets. I left that practice. What a surprise that my new pediatrician found nothing in the chart documenting the adverse reaction my son had! Do you think this was reported to the CDC’s vaccine adverse reaction database? Not by my former pediatrician, of course. My child likely has a very common MTHFR mutation, which contributed to his adverse reaction. Please educate yourselves.

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      1. Your child developed encephalitis and there was nothing in his medical chart about it? Who diagnosed his encephalitis? Did you refer your new pediatrician to the medical records from the hospital? Surely he was treated there.

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      2. Hilarious how you add R.N. to your name to somehow add weight to your statement. Please feel free to speak with authority after you take graduate level immunology courses, LIKE YOUR CHILD’S DOCTOR DID

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    7. Well, doctor, you go right ahead and push vaccines, but when a child is severely injured or dies, will you be the responsible party? 2 children in my extended family developed autism from childhood vaccinations. I have 2 cousins with children who’s lives are now destroyed because of vaccinations. They were awarded large sums of cash from the government and the doctors who administered the vaccinations. They would both gladly give up all the money just to have their healthy children back. Both children were born healthy. Now, they have to fight school boards to allow their healthy children in school because they refuse to vaccinate them.

      I’m sure you believe that vaccinations are needed because that’s what the government tells you and that’s what you were taught in med school. I’m sure you’d change you opinion if your own child was injured or killed. In my research, I’ve learned that many more kids die from vaccinations than from the diseases they are meant to prevent. You might have a medical degree, but over the past decade I’ve learned a great deal about our government and our medical care and it’s not good. We are being lied to…ALL of us.

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      1. I truly feel for your family and their struggles. For a family expecting a developmentally typical child, a diagnosis of autism can be devastating. However, I can’t explain why the courts decided to award money to your family on the basis of vaccines causing their disorder because, and I know this has been posted many times here, but I’ll say it again: the purported link between vaccination and autism has been studied EXTENSIVELY, and ABSOLUTELY NO LINK has been found.

        Please see the link below for just a sample of the studies performed demonstrating this.
        http://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/immunizations/Pages/Vaccine-Studies-Examine-the-Evidence.aspx

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      2. Who did the study and who paid for it? I’m certainly no expert but 1 child was a few weeks shy of his 4th birthday and was developmentally a bit older than his true age, then a few days after the vaccinations, he stopped talking and didn’t want to be touched, among other things. The other child was a bit younger, but still was doing just fine developmentally, and again, after the vaccinations, he reverted back to infancy, stopped talking, walking, hated certain colors, etc… I find it strange that both children changed drastically immediately after childhood vaccinations.

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      3. I can respect your position as a pediatrician. I must say, that while I do believe vaccinations have been responsible for the decrease in many diseases, some more scary than others (measles not being one of them for me), the toxicity in one vaccine, let alone many in one visit and within the first year of a child’s life does not promote health or safety. Yes, I know that there is aluminum in breastmilk, and formaldahyde is naturally made in the body (but why can’t we drink formaldahyde? Why is it considered carcinogenic?). I also don’t see how injecting those is the same. At least going through the gut allows for natural routes of elimination. Injection seems like it could allow for any number of complications due to ineffective elimination and cleansing ability. I am not just bringing this up because I thought of this all by myself. I had toxic levels of a completely natural occurring mineral (manganese from well water) as a child/teen which required detoxing as a young adult. I later had a conversation with my toxicologist regarding vaccines and the toxins within them. I trust someone who has studied in the field of toxicology, as well as family medicine (he practices both simultaneously). He has nothing to gain, he runs a small family practice and doesn’t accept insurance up front (we have to make claims), but charges little for treatment and has always been far more thorough than any other doctor I’ve seen. I will take that kind of personal treatment and advice any day over the rushed one-size fits all sentiment of the majority of medical industry. He also will vaccinate, if you so choose, but he educates you in an unbiased way telling you the real risks and benefits without emotion or bias (it’s actually quite unnerving), as he does for prescriptions. So there’s why I feel I should be allowed to choose for my family. I have talked to professionals, it would be very hard to convince me that the amount of shit that is in vaccines is safe for anyone let alone babies and small children, who have to carry the toxic burden for the safety of society against mostly benign diseases (when children are kept healthy and not fed sugary crap).

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      4. Formaldehyde is considered carcinogenic when you inhale it in large amounts. You could quite safely drink the amount in the vaccine schedule. In fact, if you’ve ever eaten a pear, you’ve already done so. Again, we see that the dose makes the poison. Since you’ve already experienced that in your own life, it shouldn’t be hard to understand in this circumstance. There is nothing in any vaccine, or in the entire vaccine schedule, that is toxic in the amounts used. An injected vaccine is about 7 drops of liquid or so, and about 90% of that is just the carrier liquid, something like saline solution. You’re looking at amounts in micrograms, or less, of substances you’re exposed to all the time anyway. It’s just not logical that they could do that kind of harm in a vaccine in that tiny amount, but not through ordinary exposure in amounts several times that.

        “At least going through the gut allows for natural routes of elimination.”
        As does going through the system as vaccines do. From your gut it gets broken down into its chemical components, and either put into the bloodstream or eliminated, sometimes both. From the muscle where it’s injected it goes into the lymphatic system, gets broken down and ends up in the bloodstream, where it’s either used or eliminated. Same deal, really. The human body is really pretty efficient that way.

        ” I trust someone who has studied in the field of toxicology, as well as family medicine”
        I’m curious as to his actual qualifications. You say he’s studied in those fields, but does he have actual medical training, or is he an alternative practitioner?

        And just to be clear, there is no ‘shit’ in vaccines. I know you didn’t mean that literally, but everything there is there for a reason and none of it is dangerous to even babies. Vaccines are very thoroughly tested, and then surveillance is ongoing. Your fears are getting in the way of a rational understanding of this.

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      5. So because a few drops in a single vaccine is considered safe, then the amounts and multiple vaccines that are normally given in a visit (there is usually 2+ vaccines administered at each well-baby visit…I do read the information given to me) are just inherently safe. And, of course, 20+ vaccines in the first year given to bodies with immature immune systems also just barely learning how to excrete toxins in the first place is perfectly safe. I have never read a study that confirms that the amount of vaccines given in one year to newborns has been proven safe. It is done all the time, and reactions happen all the time, mostly dismissed, but that proves nothing.
        You don’t need to attack every professional who thinks differently than the mainstream. Just because the toxicologist/ family doctor has objective views should not make you question his training or education. He started out studying the problems with mercury fillings and went on from there. Yes he got formal degrees for it all through med school, otherwise would not be licensed to treat for those specific issues. BUT, he will treat with pharmaceuticals or more natural methods if you choose. He is very informed on both schools. He is so objective in his presentation of options that it’s hard to figure out which he actually favors. He lets you make the decision for what you want try for symptom relief or healing of the disease or both. I would actually consider that progressive. Why is it so wrong in your mind for a doctor to not only go to med school, but also expand their learning beyond and study other medical interests and needs for patients and expand their degrees to accommodate those interests? Seriously, not all doctors who inform patients on the real risks of vaccines is a quack. There are dangers with all pharmaceuticals, there are inadequacies with naturopathic medicines. Vaccines have decreased the occurrence of certain diseases, but are not as safe as we all wish they were.

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      6. I asked a question. I did not attack your doctor’s credentials. If you’re going to see every question as an attack you’re going to have a hard time in discussions. The reason I asked is that very often we see people talking about how their ‘doctor’ has told them that vaccines are dangerous, or has talked about the ‘toxins’ in vaccines, or some such, and then lo and behold, the doctor is not a doctor at all, but a chiropractor, or a homeopath, or a naturopath, not medically trained and giving advice outside their scope of practice. So in order to clarify what you meant, I asked.

        “So because a few drops in a single vaccine is considered safe, then the amounts and multiple vaccines that are normally given in a visit are just inherently safe.”
        No, but because the amount of formaldehyde in the vaccines he gets is less than is currently circulating through your infant’s body, yes, it’s safe. If it weren’t, his own system would have already poisoned him. He creates it and eliminates it constantly, with no problem, and his body won’t even know that the minuscule amount in the vaccines is there. Which it won’t be, for more than a few hours, before it’s eliminated.

        I really think you’d be a lot more comfortable with this if you’d learn more about how babies’ bodies actually work. You seem to think that they aren’t capable of much for months and months, but that’s not really true. Babies are born with a functioning immune system, and kidneys and liver work quite well.

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      7. I am not just concerned about formaldahyde. Regardless. The main argument we hear from vaccine enthusiasts is that babies have immature immune systems, therefore need vaccines to be protected from wild pathogens. My response is, if they have such immature immune systems, how does exposing them with multiple vaccine strains (the number and type of pathogens in which they would not normally be exposed to in such a short time period naturally) as well as the variety of toxins (different depending on the vaccine), mature their immune system in a healthy way. It is in no way natural. But you argue that they have a better functioning immune system than we are led to believe by those pushing vaccines.

        Statistics and evidence can be skewed. We are seeing that now in the Thompson case. Yes, he still believes that vaccines are good, but that doesn’t change the fact that factors were omitted and results were fudged to make a vaccine appear safer than it really was for a certain race and gender. It’s hard to not wonder how often that has happened before but no whistleblower felt pressured to come forward. Sorry for not taking everything from the CDC and FDA at face value when they are getting funds and services from the companies who have the most to gain for vaccine approval.

        Until the CDC begins looking into the cause for so many vaccine injured people, young and old alike, and makes the manufacturers be held accountable in some way, I have a hard time thinking that our best interests are important to them. Yes, there is a reporting system and a vaccine court. Just because there have only been a few thousand injuries paid out doesn’t mean that’s all the injuries that exist. That’s just all who were not discouraged to the point of quitting. Many vaccine injured never made a claim or even knew about the program until it was too long after the injury to make a claim/ report.

        You are very good at pointing out how toxins are “safe” in vaccines. But what about vaccine injuries? What is in the vaccines that is causing injuries? Because they do happen far more often than you are willing to admit. If all the toxic ingredients and human DNA remnants are safe at whatever levels they deem necessary, what is it? Why is the flu vaccine known to cause GBS? Why do babies without any indication of illness suddenly begin having seizures after being vaccinated? Why do babies who had no trouble breathing while sleeping suddenly die because they stop breathing in their sleep after vaccines? Or others who don’t die, but are on SIDS watch because they stop breathing and their parents were fortunate enough to catch them before they died (after a routine vaccination)? Why do so many toddlers regress after high fevers and brain swelling after their 12-18 month round of shots? It’s not ALL coincidence. I know SIDS happened before vaccines, but not at the rate we are seeing now. I know seizures happened before, but it was usually brought about by trauma.

        If vaccines are safe, what causes vaccine injuries?

        Until there is a test that can tell me, without a doubt, that my children don’t have whatever genetic trait that can be triggered to cause an injury, I have a hard time believing data that can easily be skewed by human, fallible, biased scientists and doctors who have an agenda and bottom line to fulfill.

        Until there are vaccines without the high levels of “safe” toxic ingredients, I do not trust them.

        Vaccines can save lives by suppressing outbreaks. Vaccines can also damage people for life…in a gamble we have no control over (other than giving people the freedom to not vaccinate). One person does not react the same as others to vaccines, just as there are differences in how people of different health levels handle diseases. We have to pick which evil we are more comfortable with, knowing there could be repercussions to which ever we choose. We should have the freedom to choose.

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      8. ” The main argument we hear from vaccine enthusiasts is that babies have immature immune systems, therefore need vaccines to be protected from wild pathogens.”
        No, the claim that babies’ immune systems are immature and can be overwhelmed by ‘too many’ vaccines comes straight from the AV playbook. Children need the protection of vaccines, not because their immune systems are too immature to handle those disease, but because those diseases can be so dangerous.
        “the number and type of pathogens in which they would not normally be exposed to in such a short time period naturally”
        You know this, how? Do you understand that the number of antigens a child is exposed to in any day is thousands of times more than the number in vaccines? Do you understand that the antigens in vaccines are killed, or greatly weakened, or not even whole bacterium particles?
        You put way too much store in the idea of ‘natural’. Somewhere you’ve accepted that natural is good and anything outside of that must be worse or inferior, or maybe even hazardous. It’s just not true, any of it. In this situation, it’s the deadly diseases that are natural, and the man-made vaccines that protect against them. What we call “Mother Nature” is anything but maternal. Nature is chock full of things that will sicken or kill us, organisms that would cheerfully use us for their own purposes and don’t care what happens to us in the process. It’s not benign in any way. If it were, we could just live in and with it, without interventions like clothing, houses, sanitation, hygiene, cooking.

        Again, this is getting a bit long, so I’ll leave you with this: if vaccines cause SIDS, why has the rate of SIDS dropped so drastically at the same time the number of vaccines has kept increasing? If vaccines contribute to SIDS, why does the individual risk of SIDS drop, even as babies get more doses of vaccines? The risk of SIDS peaks between 2 and 4 months. Then, after the 4 month and the 6 month vaccinations, the risk keeps getting lower.
        “Sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) rates declined considerably from 130.3 deaths per 100,000 live births in 1990 to 55.7 deaths per 100,000 live births in 2001.”
        http://www.cdc.gov/sids/data.htm

        You really do need to double check the information you’re getting from antivaccine sites and pseudoscience sellers. Your comments are full of points that are easily refuted with just a few seconds of checking, at very basic levels. The AV lie about SIDS should make you ask questions about the rest of their claims. The AV fearmongering about formaldehyde should make you wonder what else they’re trying to throw smoke about. Many of the people pushing those ideas have a direct financial stake in keeping you worried so you’ll be more easily sucked into the products they’re selling, from DVDs to ‘detox’ protocols to books to blog hits that bring them ad revenue.

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      9. Just out of curiosity, Annette O., how were your cousins’ lives destroyed by autism? Because I have Asperger’s (which is on the autism spectrum) and while I’ve had difficulties in my life, I hardly find my life was destroyed by my condition.

        That’s the big issue I have with this AV craze. Autism is NOT and SHOULD NOT be the end of the world where your kids are concerned. I’m almost of the opinion that anti-vaxxers would throw their kids under the first bus that rolled by if they started developing the symptoms of autism. Are they that afraid, or am I just not seeing the connection here?

        But hey, when your kids die of measles and whooping cough and all that, you can always rest easy they never turned out like me: an autistic kid who turned into an autistic adult, loved by everyone who knew him and tried his hardest to live a happy life, despite his mental issues, whether caused by vaccines, genetics, or just drawing crap from the deck of fate.

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    8. I like how doctors always say there is a “risk” of complications from a disease, as if theres no underlying mechanism (biology) that defines how a given disease will affect one person to another, why does one person die from a disease and the other have mild/non-existent symptoms, not one person seems to want to talk about this, the anti-vaccine community will seem to only bring up nutrition as the main argument. well my question is this, well isnt it the entire environment of the cell which determines the behavioral characteristics? (nutrition, air quality, other chemicals in the body, water quality, lifestyle, etc etc etc) instead of finding the causal factors that makes diseases deadly or harmful modern medicine just uses band-aids we call vaccines to artificially fix the “problem”, this goes for the other arguement the pro vaccine movement uses in every situation, the immunocompromised, the larger question all humans should be asking is why do we have immunocompromised humans, and why is their numbers skyrocketing? the basis off all modern science is on casual mechanisms and “facts” and has been in constant battle with religion since the beggining of modern medicine, yet when i hear that “theres a chance” of complications or using the immunocompromised as a term that should be part of normal life as if its just an equal chance to have immune system problems, it sounds more like life is determined by a deity in the sky or by the a roll of a dice. when 1/6th of the worlds population lives on less than 1$ a day, you cant rely on worldwide statistics for any reliable data to create a fear campaign over

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      1. Annette O, I couldn’t figure out how to respond directly to your comment, and so I’m posting down here.

        Did you read the studies listed on that link? There were at least 15, all performed independently of one another by separate researchers through different funders and across the globe (US, UK, and Finland, to name a few). They were large-scale studies. Some were epidemiological, some were retrospective case-control studies, and a few were randomized, controlled trials. All were published in well-respected journals with rigorous acceptance criteria. They were not, as you so quickly dismissed performed by biased researchers. Please read the studies listed on the link and then get back to me with questions you have regarding their findings or their methods.

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      2. Intellectuallyfree49,
        I want to address several claims you made in your response to Thirdwarning.

        1. Infants and young children are exposed to MANY pathogens everyday that have not been either killed are altered so that their virulence is decreased, as is the case in vaccines. For example, the number of bacteria living on the skin alone is enormous. Additionally, the number of viral strains in vaccines has actually decreased over the years as the production has become more targeted and sophisticated.

        2. The causes of so-called “vaccine injuries” are being investigated. I know we don’t know the cause of all vaccine injuries, but I will say a few things about what we do know. Some of the sequelae, such as GBS and ITP, are likely due to an autoimmune response, which means that something (a virus, for example) causes the immune system to begin identify the body (platelets, myelin) as foreign. These adverse events are VERY VERY rare, also occur follow the disease itself and with a higher frequency than after the vaccine, and cannot always be tied to the vaccine itself but happen to have a temporal association.

        3. Regarding seizures, you are probably thinking of febrile seizures. Febrile seizures are a phenomenon in which, for reasons that are unknown at this point but are being studied, a young child has a predisposition to seizures when they spike fevers. It has been shown not to be the fever itself that causes the seizure but likely the body’s inflammatory response. Febrile seizures can occur with viral or bacterial illnesses, or, sometimes, following vaccine administration. Vaccines can cause fevers because they do induce an immune response (that is how the majority of vaccines work). Febrile seizures are not associated with epilepsy, or non-febrile seizure disorder, or with neurodevelopmental disorders in the vast majority of cases (I can provide you with several studies of this if you’d like).

        4. Regarding SIDS, the frequency is actually decreasing. Here is a graph demonstrating that: http://www.cdc.gov/sids/images/trends-suid-graph-new-500.jpg

        Finally, you speak about gambling or risk taking. I understand your point, but I would like to point out that the risks of these diseases are higher than the risks of the vaccines. This. Point. Has. Been. Proven. Both by historical experience and by scientific study. Please name the disease, and I will provide the evidence for that. The reason it is so easy for you to dismiss the risks of the diseases we are preventing with vaccines is because you live in our wonderful, charmed society during a time when vaccination rates are high and so the rates of these diseases are low. You, likely, have not been witness to the complications of these diseases. You do have the freedom to choose, and I, as a pediatrician and a concerned citizen, have the freedom and the duty to educate you and implore you to fully comprehend the risks of not vaccinating.

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    9. “The medical community is not claiming the vaccines are wholly without risks.” This is exactly why parents should have the choice over our own children.

      The author of the blog writes: “Did you know the MMR vaccine can cause brain encephalitis and brain encephalitis causes autism?” You dispute him by incorrectly paraphrasing him with; “You state in your post that one of the side effects listed to the MMR vaccine is encephalitis, which, on superficial reading, sounds KIND OF like autism.” Then you make the exact claim that he makes: “do you know what else causes encephalitis, and at a much higher frequency than the vaccine? Measles.” After all, the MMR is a live attenuated virus mixture of Measles, Mumps and Rubella. You just said it. The Measles can cause Encephalitis and the vaccine includes the Measles.
      Have you read this headline ever in your life?: “Vaccine Court Awards Millions to Two Children With Autism” You probably haven’t. It’s negative publicity to this push for mandatory vaccines. The story goes on to say, there was not admitting to the vaccine causing the autism, but both cases were “unpublished,” meaning information is limited, and access to medical records and other exhibits is blocked. You would like people to ignore common sense and do what they are told. No thanks.

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      1. I wasn’t incorrectly paraphrasing him. I was attempting to correct his incorrect assumption and clarify his biased presentation of the facts. The author had represented encephalitis in two different ways in his post (perhaps intentionally or perhaps due to a true misunderstanding) – one as a cause of autism in the context of discussing the vaccine and the other as “brain damage” that was dismissed at the end of his post as an after thought in discussing the potential morbidity of the measles.

        Let me clarify my response further. There have been case reports of encephalitis following the MMR vaccine. They are EXCEEDINGLY rare. That is why there are case reports – because it is unusual. By comparison, the risk of encephalitis as a complication of the live, wild measles virus is estimated to be about 1 in 1000. You are right, there is a measles virus in the MMR vaccine. It is what is called “live attenuated.” This means that, although it is a live virus, it has been treated so that it has a very low virulence factor, or ability to cause disease. There are several different ways that vaccines are made, and that is one of them. This very weak form of the virus is introduced to the body by injection (the shot), and the body’s immune system reacts to the virus, forming antibodies (among other responses) against it. Because of this response to the weak virus, the next time your child is exposed to the virus, he or she can fight it and not contract the disease.

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      2. If you look further, you will find many of the adverse reactions to the MMR are under reported. Estimated at only 1-2% making it into the “Vaccine Adverse Reporting System” Obviously this would make complications rare. This along with news of the case against Merck (pharmaceutical giant). Two Whistleblowers working for the MMR manufacturer, claiming they were expected to falsify reports that the MMR vaccine met FDA’s requirements. In addition to the charges, if found guilty of fraud, Merck will pay fines to the Government, 25 to 30% of which will go to the “whistleblowers”.
        To make the claim more credible, the 3rd whistleblower, is senior CDC scientist, William Thompson.
        If you want to trust a product from a company that has lobbied millions of dollars to protect itself from serious side effects or death, that is your choice. I doubt you would walk out of most any business with an item that had a no return policy or was protected against consequences from causing you illness. We should all respect and maintain our right to choose.

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      3. One small problem there. The VAERS website itself specifically says that serious adverse reactions are more likely to be reported. The underreporting, when it happens, is more about the minor things like soreness at the injection site, or febrile seizures, which, while scary to parents, are not serious or dangerous. I’m curious, though, as to where you’re getting that 1-2%. Got a source?

        As for the court case against Merck, at this point it’s a couple of guys making claims. It has yet to go to court, so it can’t really be considered as evidence of anything except that a couple former Merck employees say something happened. I mean, if you want to believe every claim in every court case that comes down the pike, that’s up to you, but I’d rather wait until there’s actually something there.

        “In addition to the charges, if found guilty of fraud, Merck will pay fines to the Government, 25 to 30% of which will go to the “whistleblowers””
        Yeah, no incentive there.

        William Thompson? He’s still in his former position and still strongly advocating vaccines. He got taken for a bit of a ride by a couple of hucksters (Wakefield and Hooker), but then so did a lot of people.

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      4. If a company is putting out a safe, reliable and trusted product, what is the need to lobby for protection against lawsuits in the event of serious side effects or death? After all, the claim is; “adverse reactions are rare”.
        That action speaks for itself.

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      5. No, that action speaks for the litigiousness of American society. The fact is, even spurious or misinformed lawsuits have to be defended, and that can cost any corporation millions of dollars. Also, juries tend to be sympathetic, even if the evidence they’re presented with doesn’t support the claim. Several manufacturers of the DPT vaccine had already stopped producing vaccines for the U.S. market, and there was concern that others might follow. As it was, there were serious shortages of the vaccine, and the price went up drastically. The VICP was put into place to protect the supply for all of us. You might remember that Barbara Loe Fisher was one of those pushing hard to get that act passed. It wasn’t until she realized that some claimed claimed injuries would still require actual evidence that she changed her tune.

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      6. As for adverse reactions being rare, some 3500 paid claims, with a fair number of them needing no proof beyond a temporal connection, would indeed indicate that serious reactions are rare, since there have been millions of doses of vaccines given in those 26 years without serious problem.

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      7. Considering that it’s right there in a big boxed notice on the VIS, which is given to every vaccinated patient, I’d say you’re likely to be wrong.

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      8. Ah. Holding laymen to a fiduciary level. I have been patient with your 500 comments on my site but if you are going to start directing your nonsense at me you’ll be done. NO ONE knows about the vaccine court. You could put 500 parents who received the VIS into a room and not one would know manufacturers are immune from liability.

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      9. all though true no one knows the exact count of people vaccinated in this country it would be relatively easy to come to a ball park figure if you had the time. Public schools from grade school to college require immunization records or a waiver. If you contacted something like 50 school randomly and were able to obtain the information you can make a generalized statement that wouldn’t be to off. I read schools get somewhere between 5 and 10% of the students who don’t have immunizations. needless to say if 3500 were paid out we are talking about less then a percent of a percent.

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    10. The FDA ? You mean the same one that just admitted they put arsenic in our chicken? Oh good- well as long as the FDA is checking on things then we are all in good hands.

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    11. From your comment, it is indeed clear that you are a “pediatrician by training”. In medical school – you are “trained” to do “medicine” and deal with disease. You have NOT been “educated” to ask questions about promoting health and to do your own investigations. When pediatricians are wholly consumed with vaccines and medication and have an extremely poor grasp of how to promote wellness and how to teach it to their patients – they, like you, are ignorant as to how to “use” childhood disease to enhance our children’s immune systems. Poor lifestyle habits and poor nutrition are the triggers to complications from these otherwise truly beneficial diseases. Parents who are educated like this brilliant blogger are then very confident that the risk of the disease is clearly favorable to the risk of the vaccine’s toxic brew. Besides, everything in science and medicine has progressed except for the draconian vaccine program. I guess it’s too profitable money-wise, though it’s clearly destroying peoples’ health.

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      1. We actually spend a significant amount of time in medical school and in our training after medical school learning about promoting wellness in children. Please don’t make assumptions about training of which you have not been a part. Encouraging health-promoting choices – balanced diet, exercise, vaccination – is a huge part of pediatrics and one of the reasons I decided to become a pediatrician. It’s one of the reasons we have “Well Child Checks.”

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      2. E, I feel like I focused on the wrong part of your response.
        Your comment makes me think you may not understand how vaccines actually work. This is a nice video giving you the basics: http://vimeo.com/16976640
        If you’d like, I can provide some links to more complex explanations that get into the nitty gritty of vaccine theory, production, and the immune response.

        The goal of vaccines is to do exactly what you want childhood diseases to do: enhance your child’s immune system; however, they do so while minimizing the risks associated with exposure to the active, virulent versions of the bacteria or virus (ie the “natural” or “wild” version).

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    12. Anyone who would suggest parents should make this decision based purely on the risk of the vaccine versus the risk of the disease is being incredibly misleading. There is also a very, very important third factor, and that is the risk of even contracting the disease. Because without contracting the disease, you face none of the risks posed by the disease. By getting the vaccine though, your face 100% of the risks from the vaccine 100% of the time.

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      1. Great point. Getting the vaccine is taking a step that brings risk, not getting the vaccine (assuming the diseases are as deadly as they’re making them out to be, which they’re not), would be possibly assuming a risk IF you got the disease.

        My son hardly ever even gets a cold and I never limit who he plays with, even if they’re sick, and we’re not obsessed with hand-washing. Germs are not the enemy people seem to think they are.

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    13. Well, a shill or Troll for the industry ACTUALLY discredits you, for as we intellectually honest and those who use ONLY logic say….follow the money! Hence your incentive to CREATE future customers with ‘innocuous’ diseases that manifest because the ‘vaccine’ was ‘grown’ on, say, the HeLa cells or the African Green Monkey Kidney’s etc….Let alone, the ‘encephalitis’ which is BRAIN Encephalitis, ie: the swelling of the brain that results FROM the adjuvants which cause an Autoimmune response and that which the stupid nurse practitioner tells the patients WELL MEANING mom that…”now don’t worry, your baby ‘may’ have a fever (BRAIN SWELLING), just give him a baby aspirin”….She fails to say that your baby May have brain damage FROM the Vaccine Encephalitis, let alone the TRAGIC and common, SIDS…ie: baby died from vaccine syndrome….SHAME ON YOU DOC for being an Order Follower and writing such egregious TRIPE! The tests AND DR. THOMPSON, you uninformed dummy, was JUST provided IMMUNITY for his testimony VERIFYING that there is INDEED HUGE risks associated with vaccines and their LACK of safety….again, SHAME ON YOU for NOT knowing this OR for failing to disclose it, which, if that IS the case, makes you a BIG FAT MISLEADING LIAR, just sayin’ so anyway, enjoy the following for YOUR edification…

      UPDATE 02/01/2015: Sources have confirmed that Dr. William Thompson (senior scientist at The CDC) has been granted Official Whistleblower Status and immunity. This paves the way for Dr. William Thompson to go before the United States Congress and testify about the CDC FRAUD regarding vaccine safety and to explain the thousands of documents that have been turned over to congressional representatives.
      The original post here on VaxTruth was published on August 26, 2014. On August 27, 2014, Dr. William Thompson issued this press release through his attorney, Morgan Verkamp (reported to be one of the top attorneys in the United States specializing in whistleblower law).

      My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

      I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

      ANYMORE snarky and DISHONEST comments are not NEEDED from a representative of the ILLNESS creation and PERPETUATION INDUSTRY! Remember, Doc…we logical folks, TOTALLY understand that there is NO incentive to cure anything, but HEAPS of incentive to make RETURNING CUSTOMERS which is WHAT VACCINES DO, in my Humble, yet VERY EDUCATED opinion!

      YOU have been exposed so move on, you’re boring and tiresome!

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      1. I almost feel bad that someone feels this paranoid about life to think that doctors have this major incentive to never treat anyone. I am assuming you just don’t have any friends that are doctors just to know this is not true. Your post though has serious flaws.

        1) ad hominem attacks generally lead to someone who has less credibility as well as someone who has revived the side they want to believe so strongly it resorts to name calling without being objective.

        2) Your use of wealth as an example to see why doctors and companies are behind the whole process ends to shorty. Whistleblowers generally receive a payout as part of the whistleblowing. If this dr thompson (funny though that you will follow this doctor…) spends years on a lawsuit he could attempt to profit millions and millions of dollars. however to you this is completely ethical.

        3) your research falls short of anything that is complete. Just to preface this link Snoopes has literally zero incentive to push for the use of vaccines. Therefore it should have some legitimacy behind it. Plus they actually link you to other sources. However you can see its updated regularly. http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp

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    14. “The FDA and the companies that make the vaccines have several mechanisms in place…” That’s the problem! If we relied on the manufacturers to prove a product is safe, everyone would start smoking around the age we start walking! And also, if that was the case, we wouldn’t need the FDA, like they do their job anyway!

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    15. do you know what else causes encephalitis, and at a much higher frequency than the vaccine? Measles.

      Yes, and the largest number of encephalitis cases come from the form of measles called Atypical Measles or AMS syndrome. This form of measles is a mutation of the Killed Measles Vaccine which was the FIRST measles vaccine distributed to the general public. Most people are not even aware that there are actually another mutated strain in circulation and the CDC chooses not to make this well know to the public.
      Could you please provide a reference of source for your statement that Measles causes a higher rate of encephalitis, and at a much higher frequency than the vaccine?

      Here is the definition of a vaccine adverse reaction from the largest selling medical textbook, the Merck Manual filed under their category of brain, spinal cord and nerve disorders: brain infections.

      The brain infection caused by vaccines is encephalitis. (any vaccine)

      Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain. Patients who suffer encephalitis can be left with physical disabilities, mental deterioration and persistent cognitive dysfunction – which matches the definition of autism.

      Vaccines can cause encephalitis and encephalitis can cause autism. You say that “encephalopathy is more common with measles than as an outcome of vaccination”. The point in the MM description is to demonstrate that brain encephalopathy is a recognized manifestation of VACCINATION and not just from contracting measles.
      Vaccines cause encephalopathy and it is not just related to measles. Do a search on NVICP and see how many cases have been compensated for brain injuries AKA encephalopathy.

      “What we are putting forth is that the risks to these vaccines is much lower than the risks of the illnesses they are preventing to both your child and to the children and adults around them who may be at an increased risk of complications from these diseases.”

      There are NO INDEPENDENT double blind placebo based controlled studies on the safety or effectiveness of any vaccine. All studies have been done by the manufactures, the CDC, FDA, IOH, IOM, universities, hospitals, scientist and independent research groups that are financially attached to the pharmaceutical industry. The last study that came out and stated “vaccines were safe” was the Rand study paid for by HHS in July. That study was nothing less than shameful which is why no one refers to it. The study was funded by the US government (HHS), the authors of the report were drawn from the RAND Corporation – which is funded by and regularly produces reports and studies for the very manufacturers of the vaccines covered in the study and RAND is -a think tank of the government. RAND is funded by and works closely with both GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) and Merck & Co. Merck in particular manufactures the MMR (Measles, Mumps, and Rubella) vaccine that has found itself at the center of growing controversy.

      Unlike reviews of vaccine safety science funded by DHHS and conducted by Institute of Medicine (IOM) committees, whose members are drawn from a diversified pool of experts and include public workshops to ensure transparency, RAND and DHHS did not hold public workshops. Instead, they confined their vaccine safety review to information controlled by industry and government. Study reseachers did not disclose conflicts of interest: Of the seven members of the Technical Expert Panel assisting with design of the federally funded study, two are high ranking DHHS officials responsible for ensuring vaccine safety; two are employed by health care maintenance corporations that partner with DHHS to provide electronic patient medical records for DHHS to conduct vaccine safety studies; and one is an academic vaccine researcher with significant DHHS funding ties; Of the four peer reviewers asked to review the federally funded study, two are DHHS employees (one is a high ranking CDC official responsible for ensuring vaccine safety) and one is a Department of Veteran Affairs employee.

      Aside from all the technical and COI the study is fraudulent just based on the fact that the researchers compared the MMR manufactured in the US on aborted fetal cells to the Japanese MMR based/grown on animal cells. This was comparing apples to oranges.

      “Autism is a developmental disability, and encephalitis is an infection or an inflammation of the brain. Very different.)”
      Autism is not a developmental disorder. There are studies dating back to the 1930’s confirming the damage that thimerosal, yes there are trace amounts in all vaccines live or not because it is one of the ways the vaccine makers purify contaminants from the product. They state it’s removed from the final product but mercury expert Boyd Haley PHD states it is impossible to remove all of it. This is why the CDC calls this “trace amounts”. removal of thimerosal was always VOLUNTARY, there is no government mandate that compels vaccine makers to remove thimerosal from vaccines. There is no oversight. There is no documentation that it’s been removed. Read this exchange:http://www.ageofautism (dot) com/2007/12/emails-from-cdc.html.

      Vaccine makers do not have to reveal the ingredients in their product-it’s strictly voluntary. If the claim a ingredient is “proprietary” they will not release it and since the controversy surrounding the MMR the growing medium is not completely revealed.

      FYI: Korea
      1 in 38 Schoolchildren Vaccinated for MEASLES Suffered AUTISM from MMR and other Vaccines After Mass Measles Vaccinations in South Korea – source: YALE MEDICAL SCHOOL

      http://news.yale.edu/2011/05/09/prevalence-autism-south-korea-estimated-1-38-children

      http://www.autismspeaks.org/about-us/press-releases/new-study-reveals-autism-prevalence-south-korea-estimated-be-26-or-1-38-chil

      http://healthland.time.com/2011/05/09/korean-study-suggests-rate-of-autism-may-be-underestimated/

      http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/05/09/autism.study/

      Also, the US has one of the highest Infant Mortality rates in the world yet spend more on health care than almost all industrialized countries:

      The current study by Miller and Goldman, “Infant Mortality Rates Regressed Against Number of Vaccine Doses Routinely Given: Is There a Biochemical or Synergistic Toxicity?” found a high statistically significant correlation between increasing number of vaccine doses and increasing infant mortality rates.This raises an important question: Would fewer vaccines administered to infants reduce the number of infant deaths?

      Other study findings:

      The United States spends more per capita on healthcare than any other country; yet 33 nations have better infant mortality rates. Some infant deaths attributed to sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) may be due to over-vaccination.

      Progress on reducing infant deaths should include monitoring immunization schedules and official causes of death (to determine if vaccine-related infant deaths are being reclassified). Infant mortality rates will remain high in developing nations that cannot provide clean water, proper nutrition, improved sanitation, and better access to health care.

      Finally, someone’s dared to compare vaccination rates vs. infant mortality numbers and then publicly ask the same questions some of us have been asking for a long time: How can a nation that spends more on healthcare per capita than any other country in the world have 28,000 children die every year before their first birthdays?

      And if vaccines are so effective in preventing infant mortality, why does the most-vaccinated country in the world have such an abysmal infant mortality rate?

      The rate is so bad that the Centers for Disease Control decided to do its own study on why this could be – but didn’t come up with an answer, although they did point out there’s been an increase in preterm birth babies, and these babies are more likely to die of “preterm-related causes.” It didn’t elaborate on what those causes were, but vaccine defenders were quick to claim that preterm births were skewing the numbers.. However, the CDC disputed that, saying:

      “It appears unlikely that differences in reporting are the primary explanation of the United States’ relatively low international rating.”

      Sources at the link: http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/studies-show-that-the-countries-with-the-most-vaccines-have-the-worst-infant-death-rate/

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    16. To the Pediatrician who claims the information is misinformed.

      I just want to inform you that you may not quite understand the criteria for an ASD diagnosis. I am no doctor but I am aware of how it is diagnosed. It is entirely plausible for Autism to be caused by conditions like encephalitis.

      Autism is found in the the Diagnostic and Statisitic Manual of Mental Disorders. That is were it is found. Although people claim it as a developmental disorder or a neurological disorder, it is still classified in this manual. The condition is treated like a psychiatric disorder. What this means is autism is nothing but a group of symptoms. So it is diagnosed similar to other mental disorders such as schizophreni (no medical tests required). It does not have an etiololgy to be diagnosed. Unlike encephalitis, it is idiopathic. So since it is only a set of symptoms, you cannot say it cannot be caused by conditions like encephalitis. Many psychiatric conditions such as psychosis is actually seen in those with brain injuries.

      This is all the blogger was saying and I believe it is very plausible that there can more going on than the autism itself. Especially since a third of children with the diagnosis also have other neurological disorders such a seizers.

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    17. Excuse me, doctor, but you are very fast and loose with your definition of a good study. There is no way you will convince me or any other rational person that the vaccine companies are unbiased against their own products, and would be able to evaluate any claims of adverse reactions without skewing results or hide problems. Which, btw, has already happened and lawsuits are pending. Did you read your own comments before you hit ‘submit’?

      Give me a break.

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    18. I am disappointed that neither the author of this open letter and more importantly the pediatrician fail to mention that the makers of these vaccines have huge funds to payout to the 1-in-35,000 kids that are severely injured by these vaccines EVERY YEAR. Yes the number is low but somebody’s kid gets damaged, just like somebody wins the lottery every week. Argue with that.

      The FDA (and every other government agency) is full of bias and revolving door employees and as such, have SQUANDERED their credibility.

      Tell Merk and the others that the making combo vaccines is unacceptable and maybe I will think about it.

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      1. Actually, the fund for vaccine injury compensation is held and administered by the Department of the Treasury, as it’s funded by a tax on each vaccine. The National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program was established in 1988 to provide no-fault compensation to those individuals injured by vaccines, as vaccination is a public health measure and should be covered as such.
        I’d be interested in a source for 1 in 35,000, something valid, preferably peer-reviewed.

        Seriously, why would you want single vaccines instead of combination? Multiple injections, several times the amount of those so-called toxic ingredients you worry about, more chance of catching something from a sick child at the doctor’s office, and longer periods of vulnerability to disease. I don’t see an upside.

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    19. The poster said that encephalitis CAUSES autism, not that it IS autism: “Did you know the MMR vaccine can cause brain encephalitis and brain encephalitis causes autism?” This is why Hannah Poling got millions of dollars from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (gee, wonder why need one of those if vaccines are so safe and effective. The Program has paid out more than $3 billion to more than 3900 damaged individuals). Did you actually READ his post? Also, did you look at his link to a vaccine insert that was used years ago, which does state “autism” on p. 11 of the insert, as an adverse reaction? I wonder why the vaccine insert said that if that is not true. What do you think? Also, there is a GSK study that was confidential that has now been published online that states in its more than 1200 pages that 5 people from the clinical trials of the MMR vaccine had adverse reactions listed as autism. Someone better tell these drug companies that make the vaccines to stop putting lies in their adverse reaction sections for the vaccine inserts! Sound the alarm!

      And YOU may understand that there are indeed adverse reactions, but most of the people posting about this issue act like the NVICP does not exist, and that all vaccines are perfectly safe for every child.

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      1. I guess you only had sympathy when you thought anti-vaxxers were some backward, uneducation people who were solely making decisions out of fear and ignorance. Now, that you see that we’re not shrinking violets, and we are educated and have done our homework. you no longer “feel empathy” for us. CDC says the demographic who is not vaccinating is higher-income and college educated. We make this decision after years of studying the facts on BOTH sides. Dr. Robert Mendelsohn says Pediatricians are the worst people to deal with when discussing an alternative view of the vaccine program, because their main purpose is to vaccinate.

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      2. Chemfreemom – the anti vaxx are higher income and generally more educated so there years of research should be respected but the higher income and decades of equation by pedestrians are “the worst” is weirdly backwards logic. Maybe anti vaxx are the “worst” to deal with because they are bent on no vaccinations.

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    20. Logical fallacy Anon?

      I counter with “Argument from Authority”
      Any time someone says “But” “However” “That being said”, it is a good rule of thumb to discard, as a lie, everything that preceded that phrase.
      I’m not a parent. I only own stock in Merck. I would LOVE if there were mandatory vaccinations. I don’t give two shits about provax/antivax, or the snot nosed throwaway children of either side.

      I’m going to make a nice profit once the mandate passes as law.

      Thanks Anon. Maybe I’ll throw a nickel in your direction when all is well and done.

      God bless America.

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    21. Dr. Michaela Glockler, who has seen many cases of measles. says in her book Guide to Child Health, that measles encephalitis is much less common than the pharma reps (doctors) say, that it is really one in ten thousand cases, one in fifteen thousand in toddlers, and that the prognosis is usually good in those rare cases. She says that to the extent that it may have become more common now, it’s because of the increased use of fever reducers like Tylenol, which should NEVER be given to fever patients, as they prevent the immune system from carrying out its job to save their lives.

      Any vaccine can cause encephalitis from the reaction of the immune system to the incursion of the vaccine. Every vaccine HAS to cause inflammation, to force the production of antibodies, but people with really on-the-ball immune systems often have them mount TOO MUCH inflammation, it involves the brain, and, while vaccine encephalitis doesn’t ALWAYS cause brain damage, it often does, and the result is autism (one in 36 now in the U.Sl), ADHD (one in twelve), seizure disorders (one in a hundred), or learning disabilities (one in six). The death rate from measles back in 1960 was less than one in 10,000 cases in children between three and ten, as many as four in 10,000 in infants under one, but Dr. Alexander Langmuir observed that it was rare in that group because if the mothers had had natural measles themselves, as 99% of mothers had then, they would be able to protect their infants with placental immunity and breast feeding.

      Measles is GOOD for the vast majority of children to get. It gives permanent immunity, a better-trained immune system for lifetime health, and protection from many diseases and several cancers in later life. The vaccine will do nothing for you but usually prevent measles during the years when it is so beneficial to get. No, thanks. My daughter reacted to the hep-B vaccine with vaccine encephalitis, given without permission and against my express wishes, with screaming syndrome for four days and nights, as tens of thousands more newborns have. She reacted to the DTaP booster at 18 months with having her only two words erased, and was diagnosed with autism two months later. I refused the MMR for her, but her llife was ruined by the ones she did get.

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    22. I m rather tired of hearing from biased medical professionals that have all this professional integrity to lose by admitting that vaccines are inherently flawed. If they cause encaphalitis,then they very well do link to autism, and now we are being sold on a loophole of logic. And it is just unethical to advise patients FOR rather than being transparent and admitting encephalitis is just as serious as the complications from the actual measles virus. It is a shame more people do not understand ethical treatment of humans.

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    23. Thank you supplying an informed voice of reason. Not that I suppose it matters for the author, but maybe someone on the fence will have a chance of getting some accurate information.

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    24. Thank you! Oh for some common sense in this debate. The pro vaxxers have been nasty, threatening and insulting. It has been extraordinary to watch. I’m with you all the way.

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    25. So tell me mr pediatrician: are you going to recommend that mothers delay breastfeeding to increase the effectiveness of vaccines?? When is the nonsense going to end?

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    26. You may be anonymous, but you’re an anonymous pediatrician trained in pharma sponsored medical school. you get your continuing credits from pharma for free and a host of other freebies. you were taught not to question and you were certainly not taught very many non-toxic ways to promote optimum health in your patients. you were taught to deal with symptoms and to shoot down pathogens with anti-stuff. face it – healthy children are not good for business. vaccines help the profession by weakening immune and neurological function, plain and simple!!! where’s the proof and evidence of my declaration – you want to know – Clearly in every family and community who have stopped vaccinating and embraced a clean, non-toxic, whole foods diet, using natural and non-toxic remedies. The number of these families and communities are growing by leaps and bounds. Our children are not just healthier, they are calmer, more cheerful, have better appetites and for healthier foods, no less. They generally are smarter. When they get sick, which is rather infrequent, the illness is much less severe and short-lived compared to their vaccinated cohorts. You, poor pediatrician are “bound” to draconian, dark ages medicine that assumes it knows better that the Creator Who provided for all our needs to keep our health and our children’s health up to snuff. Childhood fevers and rashes – what you call diseases – have a brilliant purpose – to prime the immune system. All “diseases” are only dangerous when sanitation, hygiene, and/or nutrition are very sub-optimal. That’s all besides the admitted and documented facts that there are clear risks to the vaccines – when there are such risks and clear fallout from those risks as is documented – the parent must decide.

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      1. This just isn’t true. You are living off of personal experience in probably a really confined community of friends. I believe the numbers of anti-vaxxers has been about the same or steady over the last few years. Which is counter to growing in “leaps and bounds”. Also to call them smarter, better appetites, calmer etc etc is just silly. You are comparing a really small group that can most likely afford a similar lifestyle to the rest of the country that spans a much more diverse set of race, religion, economics and political beliefs. Ill give you the fact that vaccines have potential risks. But not vaccinating does as well. Studies from across the globe in vast numbers point to that or show no actual causal link to many of the ‘concerns’. Maybe the anti-vaxxers have some good points… but living off of personal experience is an antiquated path to making decisions that have potential serious consequences. At least with vaccines I know the odds of getting hurt as well the odds of not contracting a disease in the future. the anti-vaxx community does not truthfully have that sort of peer reviewed/decades of answers that is really needed.

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  2. Not that I am necessarily for or against vaccinating your children, but I just don’t understand why people have to make such a big deal about this? If everyone could just see neither side is right or wrong. It’s all in what YOU want to do with YOUR children. It’s the same lame argument over and over. The pro vaccination side will throw it some random facts about viruses and bringing eradicated diseases back and the against vaccines will throw in their medical articles about autism and adverse effects. If you don’t want to vaccinate your children…don’t!! But of course it’s better that we have conflict instead of understanding. Stay at home moms versus working moms, breast fed versus bottle fed, home schooling versus public schooling, blood transfusions or no transfusions…the list is endless. We’re all just parents trying to do what’s right for our kids. Why can’t we just support each other for that?

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    1. I agree completely Beth. The problem is that those that vaccinate don’t respect my right not to. I, like most people decide Healthcare stuff for my family based on what I feel is best for them. I would never tell someone else they should or shouldn’t vax, that’s a personal decision. Problem is pro vax people want to take away my rights to do whats best for my family. That’s not ok

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      1. I’m sorry, but most people actually don’t make health care decisions based on what they feel. Most people make those decisions based on what science and good medical practice tell them is the best choice, with the least risk. I have tried never to let my own fears and feelings get in the way of making rational choices about my children’s medical care, partly because as their mother I’m too close to the situation to see it clearly. I rely on the people with the education and the training that I don’t have. Why wouldn’t anyone do the same?

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    2. This is not a personal issue. This is perpetuating illness, complete disregard for the scientific method, the spread of infectious disease, the waste of research and funding to prove the anti-vaxx are but jobs and the spreading overall fear through unfounded conspiracies.

      This is anything but a personal choice. Time for anti-vaxx to leave the 1800’s and recognize the benefits of science its methods and the importance of peer review. Sorry but Anecdotal information holds no weight for people that are actually seeking truths.

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      1. So, if someone questions vaccines, they are a nut job? Even if they have a doctorate, and have highly respectable careers their whole lives? Doesn’t that sound the least bit narrow-minded to you?

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      2. An advanced degree doesn’t guarantee depth of knowledge on every subject. Nor does it necessarily prevent one from falling into the abyss of belief rather than information. Sometimes it precipitates that fall, as it contributes to the idea that that high level of education insulates one from error.

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      3. its also a bit funny to me that someone wants to accept their credibility because they are a doctor but the anti-vaxx community wants me to stop following the majority of the doctorates with respectable careers. in reality the argument your camp makes should, in theory, discredit the use of titles to prove they are correct.

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      4. How about reading the actual vaccine insert found on the Merck webpage, which lists measles-like rash, atypical measles, and death as adverse reactions? Not to mention brain swelling conditions that can cause autism. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf

        How about reading the different payouts for more than $3 billion to more than 3900 individuals who have been injured by vaccines by the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, straight from the government website? http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf

        How about reading the insert for Tripedia, a vaccine for DTaP, which states on p. 11 that “autism” is an adverse reaction? This one is straight from Sanofi Pasteur Inc?

        How about reading all the articles about Hannah Poling and Bailey Banks who received millions of dollars from the NVICP for vaccine damage (they both have been diagnosed as having ASD — autism spectrum disorders — symptoms)? Huffington Post has the articles. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html

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      5. From the product insert you linked to:

        “Death from various, and in some cases unknown, causes has been reported rarely following
        vaccination with measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines; however, a causal relationship has not been
        established in healthy individuals (see CONTRAINDICATIONS). No deaths or permanent sequelae were
        reported in a published post-marketing surveillance study in Finland involving 1.5 million children and
        adults who were vaccinated with M-M-R II during 1982 to 1993.{60}”

        Reported after,yes. Caused by, not really.
        No deaths or permanent sequelae in 1 1/2 million people, over a course of 12 years. One and a half million. That should tell you something.

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      6. CHIX – this sort of ‘data’ finding is why the anti vaxx group is not something people take seriously. You can disagree with me all you want but at least try and understand why a vast majority think the cause against vaccinations is hookie at best. To begin with the amount of injuries and compensation are so ridiculously small its hard for me to even read further into your ‘data’. out of the hundreds of millions of vaccines for measles giving put only two have been compensated for autism makes the odds pretty good they do not correlate. But to go along with your point even Viaga says it can cause death, i think everything has a small possibility of being dangerous.

        The second point that should really be considered is why the two parties settled. In the american legal system when two parties agree they can seal up the case so no one knows one way or the other why a settlement was reached. Out of these very few (yes 3500 out of every single kind of vaccination we administer 3500 is very small) we don’t know the full reason why someone settled. Maybe the doctor had a non sterile environment. Maybe a batch of HPV was bad. Maybe the doctor did a poor job and stabbed into a person in a compromising place. Those are all reasons that for sure would justify a payout for the government but one must look towards causation and correlation. The vaccines itself wasn’t the problem. the doctors and the staff administering it were. Other reasons exist for people settling too like rich plaintiffs that will run the book at a defendant and if they ask for little enough the other side weighs the costs and settles.

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      7. No. Vaccines are extremely dangerous, and are the reason that today’s American children are the MOST unhealthy in history, with an unprecedented high percentage of them suffering from neurological or autoimmune disease caused by vaccines. Many of us have the utmost contempt for the so-called scientists and scientific/medical community, still trucking with the worn-out, false memes of the ’60s, better living through science, and trying to acquire the power to compel everyone to be damaged by their wares.

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    3. Vaccination has been one of the largest and most successful public health initiatives of the modern era of medicine. We have come close to eradicating so many previously devastating childhood diseases, and one of the key components of this success is the high rate of vaccination in our country. Vaccination relies on herd immunity, and is simply not as successful if the country does not have a large buy-in. I absolutely support a parent’s right to choose how to raise their children; however, it is for that reason that the issue of vaccination is one that I feel compelled to continue to discuss.

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      1. That statement is overused and isn’t based in fact. Suppose vaccines did eradicate these diseases, you couldn’t really call them deadly by the time the vaccines came out. Death rates had dropped by between 70 and 90% for them BEFORE vaccines came out. If you saw it on a line chart, there really was practically no drop in deaths after the vaccines compared to the huge drop before they came out. So, if you want to say vaccines eradicated the diseases, do not call them deadly diseases because they were no longer deadly. I mean no more deadly than anything else, in fact, as I pointed out to give that statement some perspective earlier, 12,000 people were dying from ulcers at that time, as compared to 400 dying from Measles in the whole population. Almost any disease can kill you given the right circumstances, not the least of which is the strength of your immune system, but you can’t really call that a deadly disease. And, I don’t know how old you are, but when I was a kid, Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox did not strike fear in people the way they do today. It was no big deal; almost everyone got them, had a week or two off from school and went on with their lives, with full, natural, life time immunity. And, as far as eradication, there’s never been NO cases, at least not since 1981. I was looking at the cases by year in the U.S. on the CDC website last night, and Measles cases, like most of the others, vary wildly over a long period of time. Here are the numbers of measles cases in the US from 1981 to 2012: (rounded off)
        1981 — 3100 cases
        1982 — 1700
        1983 — 1450
        1984 — 2500
        1985 — 2800
        1986 — 6300
        1987 — 3650
        1988 — 3400
        1989 — 18,200
        1990 — 27,800
        1991 — 9600
        1992 — 2200
        1993 — 312
        1994 — 960
        1995 — 300
        1996 — 500
        1997 — 138
        1998 — 100
        1999 — 100
        2000 — 86
        2001 — 116
        2002 — 44
        2003 — 56
        2004 — 37
        2005 — 66
        2006 — 55
        2007 — 43
        2008 — 140
        2009 — 71
        2010 — 63
        2011 — 220
        2012 — 55

        Look at the variation between 1988 and 1993. Those are some huge ups and downs. But, I don’t remember there being the witch hunt that there is today for people who chose not to vaccinate. It’s all because of the media looking for someone to blame and fear-mongering. It’s the same thing they did with Y2K, and many other things.

        And another common argument, the myth of herd immunity, is a reason why people say they’re so upset that some of us don’t want to vaccinate. How could there possibly be herd immunity? When we were kids, they still thought that vaccines gave you lifetime immunity, so if we got vaccines back then, that was it. We didn’t get any more. So, since then, there’s been at least 50% of the population — the baby boomers — that have not had immunity any more. There goes the myth that you can only have herd immunity if 95% of the population is up to date.

        And, we DO still have one of the highest rates of vaccination in America, and more vaccines than probably any other country, but we consistently rank low in health among other countries, and we have one of the highest infant mortality rates too. The CDC’s Vital Statistics page shows that among 26 developed countries, we rate LAST, with the highest infant mortality rate. In another report, we rated last in health judged by 5 or 6 different categories. Are you going to blame that on the relatively few people who don’t vaccinate too?

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      2. Chemfreemom – the 1989 and 1990 years saw a spike because school age children were at an all time low of vaccinations. cases were from high density areas in school age children. some schools reported up to 50% of the children were not vaccinated. It is interesting a clear spike in a trend is totally ignored.

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      3. One thing Chemfreemom (what a misnomer!) ignores is that in 1989 and ’90 most of the population was still in age groups where childhood disease was common, so those spikes in incidence wouldn’t have been so glaring, along with the fact that measles was still endemic so it was an increase, not a complete resurgence of an eliminated threat. Add to that the fact that most people wouldn’t have heard about cases outside of their immediate news area, and you have an entirely different climate than there is now.
        She’s also choosing to ignore the fact that the entire baby boom generation wasn’t vaccinated against many of those diseases in the first place because they got the diseases instead. Her argument is moot.
        As for “And, I don’t know how old you are, but when I was a kid, Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox did not strike fear in people the way they do today.”
        You were a child, dear. Do you really think your parents would have let on if they were afraid of those things? That’s as foolish an argument as “I got measles and I survived.”

        “12,000 people were dying from ulcers at that time, as compared to 400 dying from Measles in the whole population.”
        Yes, and now we have a cure for many, if not most ulcers, too. More people die in car accidents than from drowning. Does that mean we shouldn’t try to prevent those drowning deaths?

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      4. Another outdated meme. The acellular pertussis vaccine is EXTREMELY ineffective, “protecting” less than a quarter of school-aged kids who get it, less than a half of toddlers. My baby had had three DTaPs when she got pertussis anyway at 8 months and gave it to me. Three years ago, 48,000 Americans were diagnosed with pertussis, most of them appropriately vaxed, but got it anyway. Far more had it but didn’t go to a doctor to have it diagnosed. But hey, for the last seventy years it’s been a fairly mild disease, unpleasant and long-lasting, but not dangerous to any but a tiny number of the youngest newborns less than four or five months old. These infants should be kept sheltered at home for their protection, and treated with high-dose intravenous vitamin C if they get it anyway (Suzanne Humphries protocol). The new acellular vaccine STILL often causes asthma (one in nine vaxed children), allergies, seizure disorders, SIDS, and autism (as in my daughter at 18 months).

        Japan, Germany, and Sweden stopped giving it (Japan to children under two), because they had seen so much death and brain damage caused by the old whole-cell DPT. Japan immediately saw its SIDS rate drop to lowest in the developed world. Sweden saw pertussis come back, but only had an average of ONE death a year, and that was so much better than the much higher number of deaths from the vaccine that they thought that was fair enough. For seventeen years they did not give it. In 1997 they adopted the new acellular vaccine that everyone was saying was so much safer, but unfortunately, it causes fewer mild side effects as the whole-cell vaccine, but just as many serious, disabling, or fatal reactions as the old one did.

        There is no herd immunity to pertussis, and there cannot be, since the vaccine is so pitifully ineffective. Not that I’m advocating going back to the DPT, I’m advocating protecting infants at home and letting everyone else just go ahead and get it. If you ever get the vaccine, then you won’t get permanent immunity even if you get the disease (original antigenic sin), but if you DON’T get the vaccine, then your immunity after getting the disease will be permanent.

        There is herd immunity to measles, but that’s a bad thing, preventing everyone from getting what is a very beneficial disease for most children to get.

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  3. This article is so confused and misinformed I don’t know where to begin. Firstly, vaccinated children are NOT contagious. It’s as simple as that. (See: http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/pages/mmr-questions-answers.aspx) They do not have to be ‘quarantined’ – I don’t even know where you got that bizarre idea from. The ONLY way immune compromised children or young babies can be infected is from non-vaccinated children. Simply as that. And we are seeing that happen, because of parents who (either by choice or deprivation) haven’t had their kids vaccinated, then decided to take them to Disneyland and spread a dangerous disease. This is where quarantining comes in – those poor babies who have been put at risk through ignorance and selfishness are now in isolation and under medical observation incase they develop symptoms which could kill them. You say there aren’t any doctors who would have seen a case of measles – surely to God you must realise that this is DUE to vaccination, not an argument against it. The link between autism has been disproved time and time again, but I’ll take this up with you anyway – the official information from the CDC is that serious post-vaccine complications are so incredibly rare that it is impossible to tell whether they have anything at all to do with the vaccine. You are seriously clutching at straws here trying to force a link where one does not exist. The serious, potentially devastating complications that can occur due to measles, however? Well, that’s definitely due to measles. How about you read that one slowly. You seem to think that measles is just some kind of harmless ‘rash’. Measles is NOT just a rash. If you’d done even the tiniest bit of research, you’d know that. Think about that – why would millions have been spent making sure every child gets the MMR vaccine if it weren’t dangerous? Pneumonia, seizures and death are just a few complications. Why any mother in her right mind would subject her child to this is beyond comprehension – the most a child will suffer from the vaccination is a rash (maybe this is where you got so confused). I know what I’d prefer. You are relying on everyone else being vaccinated to protect your child, but if your child contracted measles and came into contact with a young or, as you use in your incorrect example, a cancer sufferer, they could die. Your selfishness could deprive another mother of her baby, and where would your self-righteousness be then? You’d be the one landed with the law suit. Do your research and sort it out before before you and your equally moronic followers cause an epidemic. And as for how any mother can bring herself to type ‘my child has cancer’… well, that’s just sick.

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    1. Here is a waring on a flu vaccine, proving that some vaccines DO shed and cause the very illness they are meant to protect from. I wonder if any of you have even read a vaccine insert in its entirety. Even if you don’t respect the source, this is a copy of an actual flu shot label.

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      1. That’s actually a chicken pox vaccine, not flu. As the label says, *it is rare*. Do you have any idea how rare? Like one or two documented cases. In those cases, the vaccinated patient had a minor breakout case of chicken pox, and the person who caught chicken pox from them came into contact with the pustules. It’s not as if anyone who’s been vaccinated is a danger to others. There are truly uncommon conditions under which it *could* happen.
        See, this is why it’s not enough to read the product inserts and labels. You also need the background and the context to understand them. These are legal documents, required to cover every minor eventuality. In a practical sense, in the real world, it’s not something to be concerned about.

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      2. In the real world, neither is chicken pox…

        As far as evidence, Sarah, and I, provided you with a link to pages of scientific studies and peer reviews showing that certain vaccines or vaccine adjuvants do cause neurological disorders, but apparently you still haven’t read them. Granted it does take time to actually read all of those studies and results, but don’t say you’re not getting any evidence before you’ve even read it….

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      1. The measles vaccine came out in 1968, in 1963 only .000237% of people died from measles, that’s 450 people per year. To put that in perspective, 12,000 people died of things like ulcers, 43,000 people died in car accidents, and 700,000 died from heart disease at that time. My point is that deaths were rare from measles even before the vaccine, due to improved sanitation and nutrition.

        http://vaxtruth.org/2012/01/measles-perspective/

        and

        And,

        Approximately 30,000 VAERS reports are filed annually, with 10-15% classified as serious (resulting in permanent disability, hospitalization, life-threatening illnesses or death). This comes from here:

        http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Activities/vaers.html

        But, the VAERS website itself admits that underreporting is the main problem with VAERS (most estimates I’ve seen say only 10% of adverse reactions are reported):

        “Underreporting” is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events. This comes from here:

        https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index

        Even allowing for the fact that more serious complications are more likely to be reported than minor ones, let’s assume that say 50% of serious reactions are reported, then that would still mean that there are 6,000 to 9,000 serious reactions annually in America today. And, that’s just to one vaccine. May not sound too horrible, unless your child is one of those 6,000 to 9,000 kids.

        And, by the way, trust the CDC with great caution. I found this on their website:

        Precautions and Possible Reactions

        I am breast feeding my 2-month-old baby. Is it safe for me to receive the MMR vaccine?

        Yes. Breast feeding does not interfere with the response to MMR vaccine, and your baby will not be affected by the vaccine through your breast milk.

        This is what the actual MMR vaccine insert from the pharmaceutical company Merck says:

        However, transmission of the rubella vaccine virus to infants via breast milk has been documented (see Nursing Mothers).

        And, here is a letter from Dr. Thompson, an Epidemiologist who works for the CDC and is now a whistleblower because he revealed to Brain Hooker that the CDC covered up data that showed that african american children especially are at an increased risk of getting autism from the MMR vaccine in a study that he participated in.

        http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

        He’s very careful about what he says, since at that time he still worked for the CDC, but it’s clear they deliberately left pertinent information out and are now being investigated because of it. Here is a video of one of Dr. Brian Hooker’s phone conversations with William Thompson, and some of the quotes from him have been written in the article that follows in case you can’t hear exactly what he’s saying — but what I listened to is pretty clear.

        http://www.naturalnews.com/047099_autism_MMR_vaccine_CDC_whistleblower.html

        The bottom line is that the CDC is a government agency and like most government agencies cannot be blindly trusted, and the issue of whether vaccines in general or one or more particular vaccines can be a causative factor in the development of autism, as well as many other neurological disorders, is by no means closed. I believe it’s just beginning.

        I had a lot more information to post, but it’s late and I’m just too tired. Maybe in the next couple days…

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      2. Oh, look, she’s picked enough cherries to make a pie. I find it interesting that you dismiss the fact that measles can be fatal, due to the fact that ‘only’ 450 people died from it each year. Personally, I think more than one death a day, some 38 per month, is kind of a big deal. It means literally nothing that there were things causing more deaths. Essentially what you’re saying there is that those people who died from measles don’t really matter and they’re not worth our time and effort.
        You’re not giving us a denominator for your percentage number, but I’ve seen it before. In order to make it as insignificant as possible, you’ve put the number of deaths up against the entire population, not against the number of people who had measles. It’s a cheap trick, but still dishonest. You’re also dishonest in your claim that fewer people died of measles, due to improved sanitation and nutrition. What you’re leaving out is the fact that the number of measles cases didn’t drop until after the vaccine came along. While sanitation might make some difference in the incidence rate, and therefore the death rate, for a disease like cholera that is spread through contaminated water supplies, measles is an airborne contagion. You breathe it in. Nobody was sanitizing the air. The decrease in deaths from measles was directly related to better medical care, and even that couldn’t prevent 38 people dying from it every single day. I know you don’t want to look at those deaths, but they are there. They can’t be denied or brushed off with false numbers and airy references to nutrition.
        And those 450 people who died (yes, let’s not forget that they were real people) were only the tip of the iceberg. That number doesn’t cover those who survived, but were permanently injured – the deaf, the blind, those who would never be themselves again due to brain damage. It doesn’t cover the suffering or the survivors, who lay in bed for days with high fevers, hallucinations (call them fever dreams if you want), pain. It doesn’t cover those who were hospitalized for pneumonia or other serious conditions caused by measles. Thousands of those people, most of them children. You don’t want to look at those, either, but that’s what we’re headed for if you get your way. All the nutrition in the world won’t fix that.

        “Underreporting” is one of the main limitations of passive surveillance systems, including VAERS. The term, underreporting refers to the fact that VAERS receives reports for only a small fraction of actual adverse events.”

        This is what you quoted from the VAERS website. I’d say I wonder why you left out the rest of the paragraph, but I know why. You don’t want people to see the whole of it because it doesn’t fit your narrative of thousands of unreported incidents. Shall we look at the rest of what it says?
        “The degree of underreporting varies widely. As an example, a great many of the millions of vaccinations administered each year by injection cause soreness, but relatively few of these episodes lead to a VAERS report. Physicians and patients understand that minor side effects of vaccinations often include this kind of discomfort, as well as low fevers. On the other hand, more serious and unexpected medical events are probably more likely to be reported than minor ones, especially when they occur soon after vaccination, even if they may be coincidental and related to other causes.”

        That’s right. Underreporting is much more likely to apply to minor things like a bit of discomfort. Serious medical events are more likely to be reported, even if they may be related to other causes. Do you understand what that means? Those horrible ‘side effects’ you want to claim for measles, because you saw them in the raw data of the VAERS site, are just as likely to be from some other cause. Why did you leave that out?
        The fact is, VAERS is the beginning of the process of vaccine surveillance. It includes anything that anybody thinks might have happened after they got a vaccine. It can be reported by anyone, and has included reports from somebody who heard something about the neighbor’s kid, or overheard something at the doctor’s office. By itself it means nothing. It is a starting point. It’s only useful to the people whose job it is to pull the information from it, confirm the reports, and then compile that information into real data. You’re taking what’s essentially gossip as verified fact. It isn’t. You know that, but you insist on using it anyway, because the actual statistics don’t support what you want to believe.

        Moving on to your (again, partial and biased) claim about rubella being transmitted through breastmilk. This is what you quoted:
        “However, transmission of the rubella vaccine virus to infants via breast milk has been documented (see Nursing Mothers)”

        This is what you left out:
        “A paper reported on 511 women who received rubella vaccine in the immediate postpartum period. Three strains were studied: Cendehill (n = 210), HPV-77 DE-5 (Meruvax; n = 182) and RA 27/3 (n = 119). Sixty-three infants, 67% of whom were breastfed, were studied at 2 to 8 months of age. None of them had any evidence of side effects or seroconversion from maternal vaccination.[11]”

        So, yes, rubella vaccine virus can be present in the milk of recently vaccinated mothers. It doesn’t cause a problem for their babies.

        Again I’m left wondering why you leave out so much information, if you really want people to know the facts. Why don’t you trust them to see the whole story and then figure it out for themselves? Why this need to steer them by presenting only part of the story?

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    2. My two month old developed encephalitis (inflammation of the brain) within hours of his two month vaccinations. Vaccine adverse reactions DO happen, and they can be severe, life threatening, and life-changing.

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    3. No proof vaccines confer real world immunity.

      Fact: vaccines contain chemicals known to be harmful to biological function.

      Your post is full of logical fallacies and demonstrates your lack of reasoning ability. Go troll elsewhere.

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      1. As far as “proof” goes none exists with vaccinations and autism, higher illness rates or any other claim made by the anti vaxx population. To use the term proof one needs more then casual connections. It needs to be a repeatable event by your peers and reviewed.

        However there is clearly more then a casual connection between vaccinations and a decline in these diseases. Places like the USA and GB have seen a spike in cases in the past ten years after decades of all time lows. These rises correlate with people choosing not to vaccinate. I don’t know if there is a bigger connections then this.

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    4. Rose, you better call Johns Hopkins immediately and let them know that they are giving their immunocompromised patients false information, because they warn to “Avoid contact with children who were recently vaccinated”. “Tell friends and family who are sick, or have recently had a
      live vaccine (such as chicken pox, measles, rubella, intranasal influenza, polio or smallpox) not to visit.” Why?? Because all of these LIVE VIRUS VACCINES SHED and those who received these LIVE VACCINES THAT SHED can infect others with THESE LIVE VIRUSES.
      http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimmel_cancer_center/_downloads/patient_info/chemo/care%20at%20home%20of%20immunocompromised%20patient%204.pdf

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    5. Most laypeople are unaware of the risk posed by contagion from live-virus vaccines. While the risk is small for healthy people, it is an issue for the immunocompromised, which is why hospitals like St. Jude’s discourage people who have recently received live-virus vaccines from visiting their cancer patients. http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=d007404edaf0c410VgnVCM100000290115acRCRD
      Having a defective immune system myself, I need to avoid both people who are sick with “natural” diseases as well as those who have been recently vaccinated with live viruses.

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    1. “She’s been with the CDC since 1999 and at one point was responsible for overseeing a $1.5 billion fiscal allocation process for terrorism preparedness.”
      Wow! Such a tight connection to the thousands of studies on the safety and efficacy of vaccination. Gee, one person out of thousands working at the CDC might have done something criminal with had nothing to do with science or her job, and that invalidates all the studies and all the evidence for everything. Interesting mindset, that.
      I assume, from this, that you belong to no organizations, give to no charities, and have no religious affiliations, since by this criterion none of them can be trusted with anything.

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      1. What about Senior Scientist, Dr. William W. Thompson, who worked for the CDC (still does) who posted this statement through his attorney’s webpage: “My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

        I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”?

        http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

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      2. They didn’t omit the data. They didn’t include them in the conclusions section of the report, but all the data were included.

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  4. I do not take offense to a blog like this even though it appears to be perpetuating bad information. It is normal to see a blog like this without actual supposed facts, and if something is cited it tends to go to another blog and so on through a rabbit hole of no actual science. Then its normal to attempt to discredit actual science and research by blaming those sources as some greater scheme of conspiracies. That I get. what i don’t get is the ad hominem attacks that are generated by the anti-vaxx right away. I can be called stupid right away because i don’t care about your personal feelings towards me. You can attempt to discredit me that is fine too because you can not discredit peer reviewed science with shaman-esq blogs and doctors.

    Most people are not doctors or scientists and thus need to rely on information that is generated from a field of study. Most rely on the doctors word of mouth. But out of everything science related especially in regards to germ theory and other disease it doesn’t take someone much older then an 8 year old to come to some conclusion. They can look at a graph and see the instant drop off of Measles during the release of vaccinations. They can then combat the completely inaccurate belief of better hygiene stopped disease by looking at how developed countries like GB and the USA have started to see spikes of measles when people who turned to a seer stone and blamed vaccinations on everything possible. On top of that one could hear about autism and do and look up actual statistics in Autism to draw other conclusions. If i were knew to this topic the first thing i would look up is when autism saw its biggest rise in being diagnosed. In theory it should be right after, or at least a few years after, people began to be vaccinated. Which is demonstrable false and easy to find. one can go to the autism society website and see that the greatest rise in autism actually was from 2000 to 2010 which happens to be a 120% increase. Numbers are pretty clear.

    To recap – 1) drastic drop in measles with vaxx 2) spikes in measles when developed clean countries stopped getting the vaxx 3) highest increase in autism began in 2000.

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    1. These people believe science is subjective. What to do? *sigh*. Anyway, the best these idiots can come up with is things “might” happen if you do or don’t get vaccinated. Fine. Lots of things in the world “might” happen, but one thing is for sure: If you don’t get vaccinated you are contributing to the spread of a disease. Fact. They deserve to be quarantined and banned from public life. I’m starting a movement in my school district to try to ban non-vaccinated children from attending public school. We need to ensure stupid people aren’t allowed to affect the rest of us. Have fun expressing your “freedom” people…..

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      1. Don’t you realize the Disney outbreak started with a vaccinated person???. Also last year at the University of Illinois there was an outbreak of mumps, all were immunized. You can waste your time trying to prevent unvaccinated kids at your school but unless it’s a private school it won’t work. Ever hear of separation of church and state? Religious objections can’t be touched. It is one of our basic rights in this country. And you have no way of knowing which kids are unvaccinated at school, at the park, at the movies, at the store. Good luck with your attempt at discrimination, it won’t work

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      2. You can’t spread a disease you don’t have. And ever hear of junk science? Science is not infallible. Blind trust is dumb

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      3. Vaccinated people should have the right to harm themselves if they want but there should be repercussions if that affects the health and well being of others. For example, people recently vaccinated with live virus vaccine should be quarantined for as much as a month after inoculation to ensure that they don’t develop and communicate contagious diseases. If they break that quarantine and infect those with compromised immune systems (eg. cancer) or the non-vaccinated, they should be held liable. That also begs the question, should parents be held liable for vaccine-injured children. I think so. If I were to inject heroin into the arm of my daughter, I would be jailed and lose custody of her. What’s the difference? In both cases you are injecting dangerous chemicals into your body that have not been proven safe and can lead to serious injury or death.

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      4. ” If I were to inject heroin into the arm of my daughter, I would be jailed and lose custody of her. What’s the difference? In both cases you are injecting dangerous chemicals into your body that have not been proven safe and can lead to serious injury or death.”
        Well, of course. Except for one small detail. It’s a ridiculous comparison and your second sentence there is a lie if you try to apply it to vaccines. Other than the dishonesty and the fact that nobody with enough intelligence to find his own head could possibly think it’s valid, yeah, it’s just fine.

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    2. Hi there, did you look at the link to p. 11 of the vaccine insert for the DTaP shot made by Sanofi Pasteur? This is a vaccine insert from the actual corporation that makes the vaccine. It clearly states “autism” as an adverse reaction. This shot may not be given anymore, I am not sure, but if you look at the insert, it says it right there.

      Here is a link to an attorney’s webpage (see below). This attorney is representing an senior scientist from the CDC, who admits that “My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

      I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”

      THIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE QUESTIONING VACCINES. THE ACTUAL SCIENTIST FROM THE CDC ADMITS THAT THEY LIED. EXCUSE ME, “OMITTED STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT INFORMATION . . . FINAL STUDY PROTOCOL WAS NOT FOLLOWED.”

      This is not Dr. Hooker saying this. It is the senior scientist from the CDC.

      http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

      Here is an article discussing how the NVICP paid out millions of dollars to two kids with autism: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html

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      1. Which Sanofi Pasteur DTaP would that be? The Daptacel insert doesn’t list autism anywhere? Is there another one you’re thinking of? Surely you have the link at hand, right?

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    1. No one has died from measels in the US for a decade but per the CDC’ s own records 108 kids, babies have died from the MMR in the past 10 years. 108 healthy kids who’s parents brought them to the doctor and then they died. Look it up people. Kids and babies are harmed and/ or die from vaccines in this country everyday.
      Look up vaccine injury compensation program on the CDC website. Look up vaccine injury compensation tables, same website.

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      1. Evidence, please, for the claim that ‘ 108 kids, babies have died from the MMR in the past 10 years.’
        Please don’t tell us you’ve been dumpster diving in the VAERS site, because if so, you don’t have one clue as to what you those numbers actually are.
        If you think that constitutes ‘the CDC’s own records’, then you don’t know even half enough to make a decision this important on your own. You certainly don’t know enough to set your knowledge against all the experts in the relevant fields for the past century. And yet, that’s exactly what you’re doing.

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    2. Live vaccines do shed and yes they can get people sick. Didn’t you know that? Didn’t your doctor inform you to stay away from pregnant women and immunosuppressed people for several weeks. If not you have possibly infected others. Next time get all the facts.

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      1. Third warning
        Sorry to burst your bubble but I am an advanced practice nurse, highly educated. The info is found on the cdc website. The VICP shows the number of children harmed or killed from vaccines. There have been zero deaths in this country from measles for at least 10 years yet more and more people refuse the garbage in vaccines. Please do some research it’s there to find before attacking someone very, very educated on this subject

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      2. I have read the inserts. I’ve also had people with scientific training explain them to me. Why do people who are antiscience always assume they’re the only ones who’ve ever looked at the information? Rather arrogant attitude, that.
        And no, doctors aren’t necessarily supposed to give them to you. Why would they? The inserts aren’t written for patients, but for medical professionals. They are, though, supposed to give you the VIS. If your doctor didn’t, I’d say something to him/her.

        All that having been said, still waiting for evidence for your claims.

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      3. Again, we need to see some evidence that shedding of the measles virus happens in real life and in the kind of context you’re talking about. You talk about getting all the facts, but you seem to have a strong aversion to showing any. Vaccine shedding, with the MMR, is essentially a theoretical propostion, just because it’s a live vaccine. Rubella can pass through a mother’s milk to her baby, but I don’t think very many small children go around breastfeeding random strangers.
        So, evidence?

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      4. Thirdwarning, shedding does happen. It’s rare, but it does. My son was an unfortunate example, and got Rubella from a recently vaccinated friend. I thought it was a minor case of measles for a year and a half until I had a blood panel done and due to my exposure as his caregiver had heightened Rubella antibodies…all others were lower than normal due to my vaccination status (20 + years since my only Mmr). There were no other Rubella or measles cases reported in the area at the time and I don’t take care of other children. It was inconvenient for the Healthcare workers I explained it to, so no, it was never reported. Btw, he is healthy and had no complications…partly because he eats healthy and has a stronger immunity because of it.
        As for you constantly asking for proof and such, know that parents of injured children would love proof too. They trusted their docs, when the *impossible* happened (as does thousands of times a year) the majority are dismissed and reports are never made. So you are right there is no proof and few records (which you dismiss anyway). But what IS left is children who are injured and families who have lost trust in the CDC and Healthcare industry.
        While we are demanding proof, are ALL the cases of flu, and flu deaths CONFIRMED through lab cultures? No. The rare occasions I went to the doc for a flu, no cultures were taken, but I was cheerfully prescribed an antibiotic or antiviral…which I didn’t take for obvious reasons. I’m sure it was documented as the flu even though there are many flu-like illnesses that are not flu strains that it could have been. I’m guessing that happens A LOT.
        Science and medicine are practiced by fallible, biased people. No one is perfectly unbiased and objective. ..and there’s no controlling what people know or have been taught before they enter a field of study. Most are well-meaning and want what they feel is true to be proven (or not disproven)…which makes objectivity very difficult.
        Thus goes the same way for parents of vaccine-injure children. They’ve heard all their lives that vaccines are safe and effective, and their doctor confirms it…so they allow their children to get vaccinated. The IMPOSSIBLE happens, they are told by the doc that it’s impossible. So they do it again…sometimes several times with similar or worse results…every time denied by the doc…and no record taken or report made. Eventually they make a correlation, but it’s denied. They are now biased in a different way and very open to options from other dismissed parents.
        So, you are right, there is little to no proof recorded…but the children exist as do the many parents who’ve had nowhere to turn but to those who will listen.
        You won’t convince them using a single source yourself.

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      1. What makes you think it hasn’t? How would you know about it, and why would there be any notice about it, if no research had been done?

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  5. I like how this guy starts off talking about intolerance and bigotry lol. If you get down to it, the only reason this whole anti-vaccination movement exists is because 1) some people assume “big pharma” and “the government” want to ruin everyone’s otherwise perfect health and 2) one guy wanted to make some money and published his tampered study which btw has been redone many hundreds of times over with increased power (included many more patients) the results of which have never shown any association of the MMR vaccine to autism. Of course, this Lazarus Jones guy knows how ridiculous that previous association was so he tries to blame the MMR vaccine for causing the problems its supposed to solve, namely causing death in immunocompromised children. It sounds somewhat logical until you get hit with the fact that the MMR has been linked to only 5 deaths/200 million vaccinations. His claim that the vaccine can cause Subacute Schlerosing Panencephalitis which typically occurs 7-10 years after the initial measles infection in 1 in 1000 children is 100% BS. Also he calls measles “just a rash” when in fact it can lead to pneumonia, mental retardation, and death in around 1000 children. If you take away the herd-immunity effect, that’s going to be 1-2 kids who die in every decent-sized elementary school considering that 97% of kids who are anywhere near another infected child WILL get measles themselves since it is one of the most transmissible viruses known. Thats not even including the very common complications of infertility, meningitis, and congenital birth defects associated with mumps and rubella which are included in the vaccine. The problem for parents is accurately evaluating the different messages out there. Personally, I think its pretty simple. Even though this Lazarus he has NOTHING to back up his claims, he still thinks its fine to throw his unsubstantiated claims around like they’re candy because he will NEVER be held accountable for the accuracy of what he posted. Another thing to keep in mind is that many of the “alternative medicine” specialists out there DO make A LOT of money on their books and supplements unlike regular doctors who are consistently screened for conflicts of interest. Contrary to what many people believe, doctors are not “in big pharma’s pocket” and actually examine and discuss the studies investigating different treatments (including vaccines). that includes evaluating/critiquing the study designs to make sure the results were properly blinded, weren’t the result of chance, and that there weren’t any conflicts of interest. Just something to keep in mind as you read blog posts like this.

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    1. Your numbers are wrong. Look up the vaccine injury compensation program, the vaccine injury compensation statistics. They are both on the CDC website. If your 5 deaths per 2 million were correct than many others would vax. But your wrong. Many, many kids are harmed by vaccines.

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      1. The vaccine injury compensation statistics tell us that some 3500 cases have been compensated, in more than 26 years. Out of millions of doses of a dozen or so different vaccines, some of which are not on the market anymore. Some of those claims were for the whole cell DPT, which has since been proven not to have caused the problems claimed for it. Many of them are ‘table injuries’ which means that no causation needs to be shown, just that it happened within a certain time frame.
        Do you have any evidence that there have been more than 5 deaths caused by the MMR? Or any vaccine?
        Going by the number of claims paid out, the rate of vaccine injury would be about .000003%. I doubt you’ll find anything in life any safer than that.

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    2. Ever heard of the Tuskeegee experiments? How about Atomic Veterans? Ever heard of Dr. John Cutler and his experiments with syphilis in Guatemala, funded by the US government? How about Dr. Cameron and his CIA-funded MK Ultra experiments at McGill University? The history of the country is full of doctors working with government agencies to experiment on people without their consent. Google the Church Committee files sometime and get a clue.

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      1. From the NY Times article about the White House bioethics panel looking into the Guatemalan experiments:
        “The panelists generally agreed that the ethical review boards now mandated by the American government, universities, foundations and medical journals would prevent similar abuses today by anyone spending taxpayer or foundation money.”

        I would never go so far as to say every bit of research is always ethically done, but there’s a reason you had to go back more than forty years to find these examples. They are some of the reasons research ethics have changed and requirement are much more stringent now. In both history and science, things have to be looked at in context. Yes, these experiments were horrendous, and cruel. They would never get any sort of ethics approval now, and if discovered, would be shut down. This is why there are review boards.

        Although, come to think of it, I can give you one example of a more recent study done without ethics board approval, one that involved unnecessary invasive procedures on young children. Fortunately, that doctor lost his license and the Lancet retracted the study report.
        Oh, wait, there’s also a situation where a doctor was using a powerful drug, off-label and untested, on children, in order to make them more docile and controllable. His son was also involved in that, although he’s not a doctor and has no medical training. Their IRB consisted of the doctor’s wife, their lawyer, and a friend of theirs. That doctor lost his license, too.

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  6. Are you insane? Did you seriously just refer to someone’s child with cancer as “warped creative license”?! You should be ashamed of yourself. Oh, and guess what? Measles DOES kill children, and the only reason it’s not killing kids in the US these days is because of people like me, who responsibly vaccinated our children. Darwinism. If you choose not to vaccinate and your child develops chicken pox and dies of brain hemorrhaging, it will be survival of the fittest. Good riddance.

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    1. You should be ashamed of yourself. Saying if my child suffered a horrible death well good riddance. One should never feel that way toward ANY child.

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    2. COME, ON! You’re saying that if because you and your children are vaccinated, BUT my unvaccinated child gets sick anyway (which I am prepared for)… but BECAUSE you are vaccinated, my child won’t get as sick? That your choice makes him less likely to have complications or die? Sorry, your vaccination status has no affect on the severity with which my child might have measles. It’s not because of the vaccinated that the cases of measles are less dangerous…it is because of the vaccine that the disease less prolific, I will give you that. Many parents who have weighed the disease vs their view of the possible risk of injury from toxic vaccines, have raised their kids on healthy diets that help boost immunity to give the kids the ability to fight the disease as well as (or better than) our parents and grandparents…most of whom survived without any harm being done. We aren’t neglectful, we find other ways to protect them from injury from the disease, since we cannot protect them from the *rare* possibility of injury if we allowed them to get vaccines. Your vaccine status has NO bearing on how severely our kids might get sick, our precautions are responsible for that. Whether you think I am doing right for my child…I don’t care…just quit making it sound like you carry any responsibility for the severity for which he might get a vaccine-preventable illness. YOU DON’T.

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    3. Oh, and, in response to “survival of the fittest”. We can look at highly polluted areas of nature to see what will soon happen to our population if we refuse to see how ingested and injected toxins are negatively affecting us. I am not an environmentalist, but I see the overall picture…and believe science has proven that pollution and environmental harm do exist. Organisms (plant and animals) in areas that are highly toxic (like some waterways, lakes, and ponds), do not eventually adapt to the toxins. They developed weakened dna, harmful mutations, chronic illness, and die. Some do survive (as the fittest) but after exposure, are they stronger than their ancestors? No, they are far less healthy. Science has proven this. Science ironically also helped cause it. We are being pretty two faced to say that the modified food, polluted water, air, and toxin laden pharmaceuticals will have NO long-term ill effects to our population as a whole. The first several generations fared better. But as generational genetic changes compound and are passed on, and more toxins are being added through each generation…our healthy DNA begins to break down. “Rare” adverse events are happening more and more often as each generation continues to weaken itself and the next through toxic eating, drinking, breathing, and the overuse of medications and vaccinations. Plus we are breaking down our immune systems by synthetically activating weak antibodies with toxic ingredients and not allowing natural immune response to less dangerous contracted illnesses (like muscular strength training). I agree that vaccines have decreased the rate of many illnesses…but there’s got to be a less toxic way of doing it. Sorry for the rant… I don’t think that my generation, or my children’s will live longer than my grandparents. There are too many of us on medications, eating crap food, and not exercising. Not to mention the huge burden of chronic illnesses that my kids’ generation has. We can look at historical evidence that people do not adapt in a healthy way to toxins. Consider the geographical areas in Korea and Vietnam where agent orange was used. The “fittest” survived…but many have debilitating mutations and will continue to pass down broken and weakened DNA to their children and grandchildren. They may have survived, but are they healthier than those not exposed to an entirely unnatural chemical agent? Do they have any traits that give them any useful edge over others? Developed countries are doing this in a slower more overwhelming way. Pro-vaxxers like to throw out the “survival of the fittest” argument against those who don’t vaccinate…well, who will have less toxic burden? Those who eat clean and don’t vaccinate, or those who pump the sugar, eat crap food (thus weakening the immune system), and take every medication for every little sneeze and fever? We can’t avoid all pollution and toxins, but we can do our best to avoid injecting them directly into our children. I don’t wish ill will on pro-vaccinators…I just wish they would see the much bigger picture. Infallible “Science” is full of real infallible people.

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  7. What would you say to the Mom’s and Dad’s who decided not to get their child vaccinated and yet their child/children still have autism? Autism has been around so much longer than people realize, it’s just now being diagnosed more. I do believe that each parent obviously has a choice on whether or not to vaccinate their children, I just don’t think it’s fair nore accurate to blame vaccines on the reason for a child having autism.

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    1. As mentioned before the one article in lancet was a very flawed article and has been denounced by most of its authors and peer review. Furthermore, there have now been multiple well done articles since that show no link between MMR vaccination & autism. As far as just let every one raise their children as they like ?? By loosing heard immunity you do put other people in the community @ risk. The elderly, infants, immunocompramised people etc. Children need to trust their parents to care for them. Your small child should use a car seat. Some Muslim sects who immigrate to the US still want to practice female circumcision ( removal of the genitalia ). Some hard core Christian scientists don’t allow medical intervention for treatable illnesses. Some Jacobs witnesses will not allow blood transfusions ( a child involved in a car accident & looses a massive amount of blood & needs it’s lacerated spleen removed can’t relieve a couple units of blood) This is why laws are created to protect the child…it has no say in the matter.

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    2. Right! Autism is not the result of vaccinations. If it were, unvaccinated children with autism wouldn’t exist- but they do. My brother is autistic; I have great sympathy and compassion for parents of autistic children. I do not, however, have patience for those quoting (now recanted) articles from a physician who cannot legally practice anymore.

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      1. You don’t know what causes autism…if you did you would be dead or rich. You also don’t know what doesn’t cause autism. It is probably a combination of environmental issues (Glyphosate-round up, vaccinations, lack of vitamins and minerals in the modern diet, etc…) which makes it difficult to pinpoint a specific cause. It really all boils down to man manipulating the environment in his infinite wisdom.

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      2. We don’t know what causes autism, true. More and more research is indicating that it happens before birth, though. Besides, it’s not necessary to know what the specific cause is, for extensive research to show that it isn’t vaccines. If I’ve looked into my pocket 14 times and not found my keys there, it’s time to look somewhere else. It’s safe to think the keys just aren’t in there.

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      3. Then why does the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program keep on paying out billions of dollars including to kids with autism? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html

        There may be many causes of autism, but the NVICP clearly believes that some vaccines have caused brain swelling side effects, which caused these two kids’ autism. Their names are Hannah Poling and Bailey Banks. Show them some respect.

        Why did a senior scientist at the CDC say this? “My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

        I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”
        http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

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    3. Tell that to the family of Hannah Poling and Bailey Banks, two kids who received millions of dollars from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program, for adverse reactions to vaccines that gave them brain swelling, that caused them to experience symptoms of ASD (autism spectrum disorder). http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html

      Tell that to the doctor (a senior scientist at the CDC) who wrote this press release posted on his attorney’s webpage: “My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

      I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.”

      http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

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  8. To the lovely pediatrician who said the reason no one dies in the U.S. of the measles is because of the mmr vaccine and the high mortality rate in other countries is lack there of the measles vaccine. The mortality rate in the U.S. is perhaps next to none because patients in the U.S. treated have more access to medical care. And poor patients the ones you referred to in your post the ones in the third world countries die mostly because of neglecting to simply treat the fever! Encephalitis occurs with high fevers. And other simple symptoms such as diarrhea they don’t really die of measles it’s the symptoms caused by the disease and the lack of treatment. If you take cultural anthropology you may be interested to know that the high death rates in infants in third world countries are often related to indirect infanticide! Lack of vaccines are not the only cause. Especially in areas of rural Brazil.

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    1. All of which has nothing to do with the fact that if you don’t get measles in the first place you can’t die of complications from measles. A fact you’ve conveniently left out of your calculations.

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    2. I told myself I wouldn’t post to this thread anymore, but I really can’t let the misinformation hang there in space without a response: almost every part of your comment is either inaccurate or not relevant to my point.
      1. Absolutely, the factors leading to high infant death rates in general in countries with poorer medical care than ours are multiple and complex. My point was in response to individuals saying that the reason there were no deaths from measles in the US was that measles was not a deadly disease but “just a rash.” This conclusion that measles is not potentially deadly with significant risk of morbidity simply because no one in our country, which has had enviable rates of vaccination for years, has died from the illness is an inaccurate one. I agree: if measles were as prevalent in the US as it is in other countries with lower vaccination rates, our mortality rate would likely still be lower; HOWEVER, there would still be a mortality rate, and GUARANTEED it would be lower than the mortality rate from the vaccine.
      2. Encephalitis is not caused by high fevers (unless your temperature is greater than 105F or around there). Fevers themselves are not dangerous in the majority of situations, and so a lack of treating a fever does not cause worse outcomes. In fact, some of the forms of encephalitis caused by measles don’t occur until years after the original infection. (sorry – I know I’m nitpicking on this)
      3. Regarding your point of “other symptoms caused by the disease.” The symptoms caused by a disease = the disease. I don’t understand.

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  9. Thank you for your post, i am totally against vaccines,its just another way for the Goverment to take control over our lives and get more $$ . im done going to the clinic for the ROUTINE checkups just so i can get pounded over not taking the vaccines. also…and Guess what!? we all live in a fallen sinful world. The Bible tells us that because of sin, theres always going to be death. this whole vaccine issue is annoying.But because of my Salvation in the Lord, i can look to HIM for my fears and doubts, GOD created our bodies in a unique and diverse way of healing itself. Just because you choose to vaccinate doesnt mean you have to hound someone for choosing not to!

    we are all parents just trying to do what we think is best for our little ones. NO governement is going to tell me or make me change my mind otherwise!

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    1. The Bible also tells us that our bodies don’t always work as well as should to heal themselves. I know you’re trying to do your best for you little ones. So am I, as well as for those children who aren’t mine. They’re all God’s children. What is it about vaccines that concerns you so?
      Yes, there’s always going to be death. Does that mean we should run toward it or hope it comes to others?

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      1. “First, it is clear that Thompson’s concerns were over the conduct of the study. If what he says is true, the decision to exclude data from the published paper allegedly went against the study protocol. Deviations from protocol can be serious matters. They have to be reported to the IRB overseeing the study. Whether they significantly alter the conclusions is an entirely different matter. In the published paper, DeStefano et al. state the reasons for their handling of the data and explain what they think may have been behind the observation of an increased odds that African American males with autism were more likely to have been vaccinated between 25 and 36 months. The anomaly was intriguing and, at the time, warranted a closer examination to figure out what was going on. Other studies since then have shown that the finding was probably due to other confounding variables. However, the data were included in the paper; it is just the conclusions drawn from that data that were excluded. That doesn’t appear to be a protocol violation. Decisions about what to include and what to exclude in a published paper happen all the time, in large part due to space limitations, but also due to the quality of the findings. Thompson seems to have felt that the findings warranted inclusion in the published paper, but he may go too far by claiming it was “against protocol”. He may be right, but I’d need to see the study protocol for that.”
        http://www.harpocratesspeaks.com/2014/08/cdc-whistleblower-william-thompson.html

        The blog post starts out a bit snarky, but it does include a good explanation of the whole situation. In essence, when those results were looked into further, they were shown to be an anomaly, coming from other factors that don’t have anything to do with vaccine status. That’s what they mean by confounding variables. They didn’t hide it – the data were included in the paper. I know the big headlines make it sound bad, but they don’t present the situation as it really was. Or is. I’d encourage you to think about why that is.

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    2. Well, if The Fall brought sin into the world, that would make our bodies imperfect. As a consequence, we’ll get disease. But hey, God also created science- which brought vaccines into the picture, anddd greatly decreases our chances of getting them! We need to use our God-given brains.

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      1. Yep, sinful man always thinks he can outsmart God and live “forever”. Ironically, you are only killing yourself faster.

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      2. Nobody said anything about forever. I’m happy that our children make it to adulthood, just as I’m happy that women don’t often die in childbirth anymore. Are you going to call that ‘trying to outsmart God’, too? What makes you think that when God gave us brains he didn’t intend for us to use them?Especially to use them to save our neighbors from suffering.

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    3. thirdwarning, That’s why I don’t generally even engage in debate about issues online, because one, it takes a lot of my valuable time to look up all these links to back up what I’m saying, and two, people can always be counted on to regress to the point that they attack you for a typing error or an obvious mistake such as my calling the label a flu vaccine label. Really? I mean, don’t you think that our children’s health is important enough to have an intelligent exchange of ideas and information without frivolous attacks? The information is out there, if you people really wanted to see the other side of the issue, you’d look it up yourselves and actually read it. There is more evidence every day that vaccines are not the way to good health, and more doctors and scientists are seeing it. Depending on your age, you may be around to see it one day yourself…When people realize that good health comes not from a drug, but from taking care of your immune system, vaccines will be seen for the barbaric, mass poisoning that they really are.

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      1. No one is claiming your unvaccinated child will infect a vaccinated child. This is possible, but incredibly unlikely. What people are claiming is that your unvaccinated child WILL spread measles to the immunocompromised population among us if they contract measles. If they don’t contract measles, this is largely thanks to those around you who have been vaccinated and reduced the likelihood that your child will ever be in the same room within 30 minutes of someone who has measles. The fact that many survive measles does not make you any more socially responsible, or any less ignorant.

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  10. Because measles isn’t deadly…

    The saddest story Ronald Dahl ever wrote – about his daughter’s death from measles

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/02/02/the-saddest-story-roald-dahl-ever-wrote-about-his-daughters-death-from-measles-and-is-worth-reading-today/

    Prior to 1963, roughly 500 people in the US died of measles, or about 1 in every 1,000 reported cases. Within 5 years of the vaccine becoming available, the rate of reported cases dropped 98% (a correlation that is a million times stronger than any connection between vaccines and autism has ever even been hinted at by actual data). Since 1995, we only have 1 death per year of measles. Why? Because we vaccinate. That’s 499 lives saved from just 1 of the (milder) diseases that we vaccinate against.

    Source: http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html

    I challenge you to find me data that shows that the damage that vaccines cause it worse than the 500 deaths per year (and, again, this is just one of the tens of diseases that we vaccinate against, so the actual number is many times that). And, don’t tell me that the thousands of cases of autism we see every year is caused by vaccines, unless you have actual data to back it up, because it has been shown time and time again that just as many kids who don’t vaccinate get autism, too. If there is any correlation between autism and vaccines at all, it is so weak it can’t be detected even in case studies involving tens of thousands of kids. And, this includes studies conducted in and paid for by foreign governments, entities that don’t profit from vaccines, and in fact have to pay the drug companies to have their own populations vaccinated.

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    1. And here’s a sad story about two other kids injured by vaccines. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/post2468343_b_2468343.html

      At least they got millions of dollars from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. The court did not say that the vaccine caused their autism, but it did say that “that vaccines had caused encephalopathy, which in turn produced permanent injury, including symptoms of autism and ultimately an ASD diagnosis.”

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  11. As a child, we questioned everything. At some point, we realized we have no way of understanding all the complexities of this world. At that time, we began to believe and trust others knowledge, but that belief was shattered the first time someone you trusted lied to you. Now, as a mature adult, you should fully recognize all people lie. The subject is irrelevant. With that knowledge, we should all question any subject that concerns us. It takes a fool to have blind trust in any man. A title or level of education does not keep a person from being a liar. From a pastor to a scientific doctor, all people lie.

    Here is our story as short as possible: my childless wife was 39 years old in 2010, at which time, she was diagnosed with MS. She was perfectly healthy, a fitness junky, had never smoked, rarely drank any alcoholic beverage, prepared only “healthy” meals, and had never been over weight a day in her life. She all at once started experiencing severe fatigue after a spin class. We were told MS was likely. While waiting confirmation, I read everything I could. MS is incurable and the cause to date unexplainable. With just a few days of study, I had a few questions for the neurologist who diagnosed her. He confirmed the drugs used to combat MS only have a 30% chance in slowing the disease, they destroy the liver, destroy the muscle tissue, and further compromise immunity. That might sit well for some but I began a quest to dig hard for something else. The internet has a cure for every disease known to man. You have to dig through plenty of trash. A truly healthy diet along with pharmaceutical grade supplements and vitamins have kept her MS from progressing since diagnosis. She still has all the clinical symptoms but no progression clinically or by MRI. At 42 she conceived and delivered a healthy baby girl with no fertility drugs. Our daughter is 11 months and 3 weeks old. She has not been vaccinated. She has not been to Dr for anything but routine check ups. She has had two colds that lasted 2-3 days. No medical attention was needed or given. She turned over before she was a week old. Everyone that has been around her says she is the most pleasant baby they have ever seen. I have no experience but she is happy until she gets sleepy. She has only organic food and been a home milk formula since an unruly thyroid caused by MS stopped milk production.

    It’s a choice. You vaccinate and believe your child will not catch what mine may potentially carry. I’m not concerned. My child had been and will be protected in a different way than yours with no chance of immediate or future side effects.

    You believe who or what you want. What I see with my own eyes will not be influenced by any scientific study.

    The words global warming have been changed to climate change. Hard to talk about global warming while we are experiencing cooler temps in the winter and summer.

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    1. “All people lie” and yet you believe random people on the internet, many of whom want to sell you something. Interesting take on things.
      I hope your wife continues to do well.

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  12. The wellness commit is appreciated.

    My attempt to make that as short as possible left many things out. I took a jab at all the so called cures on the internet. Things found on the internet from “random people” were used but not taken without question. For example: a b12 deficiency can mimic MS in every aspect, my wife’s b12 was not tested before the diagnosis, I had to ask for it. Her b12 level was 1 ng/ml from being clinically deficient, but a nurse called and said her b12 was normal. From memory, the normal range by the US Med Acc is 201-600 ng/ml. High dosages of b12 were once used in the UK to relieve symptoms of MS per a UK medical journal found on the internet. In Japan the normal levels of b12 are 800-1200 ng/ml. MS is rare in Japan. B12 is water soluble, so it is harmless in high dosages.

    MS causes the destruction of the myelin sheath. Myelin sheath is the protective covering of your nerves. In the repair of the myelin your body uses b12.

    The occurrence of MS rises drastically the greater distance a person lives from the equator. They ask where you were born as part of the clinical diagnosis. There was much chatter on the internet about vitamin D3 in combatting MS. The body receives almost all of your D from sunlight. My healthy wife had decided how bad the sun was and used sunblock even in her make up and had for over 10 years. When I ask for a d-hydroxy 25 test, I got a strange look. The test proved her D levels were low and extremely low for a MS patient. Vitamin D3 is oil soluble. It can be harmful in unchecked high dosages. Do not prescribe yourself to take more than 2000 IUs daily.

    Straight from a layman. We cover our bodied and stay inside during the winter. Most illness, cold and flu, occur in the winter and affect the youngest and oldest the hardest. A body synthesis less D from sunlight as we age. Check into D3 and live a healthier life during the winter months. Do not buy your vitamins at a box store or chain pharmacy.

    A business associate of my wife’s who had access to a retired neurosurgeon who has published many books on autoimmune diseases was also and still is very helpful in this journey.

    The point this would not have been unknown without my research. My advice to anyone is take ownership of your health. Ask the questions and do the research. Your eyes will be opened.

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    1. I’m all for asking questions and looking into things for yourself, as well as taking responsibility for your health, where possible. I don’t think it’s necessary to reject current evidence-based medicine and science to do so.
      My oldest was an easy baby, too, like your daughter. (Be prepared. Twos might take you by surprise. 🙂 ) I’m glad she’s doing well. I hope you can bring yourself to consider having her vaccinated. I do understand your trepidation. Enjoy your family.

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      1. I think it’s very clear from what you’ve posted here that you and ‘evidence’ aren’t exactly on speaking terms. But once again, the arrogant antivaccine assumption that nobody but them has looked at any information. Why is that, really? Is it because you simply can’t imagine that you could be wrong? That your position is so unassailable that of course anyone who dares to disagree must be uneducated and unread? Interesting, as you’re the one putting your own ideas up against those of all the most educated, most highly trained experts in several very difficult fields of study. Do they all need to look at ‘all the evidence’, too?

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  13. Thank you for this. Those of us who’ve chosen to buck the system need to be more vocal about why we make the choices we do. Although I have a son on the autism spectrum (my second born), it had nothing to do with why I made the decisions I did.

    I will save you most of the details of our saga and simply tell you this. Many of us who make this decision (or some variation on it–like vaccinating on a modified schedule as I did) come to it because we learn (often the hard way, also as I did), that the System (read: the medical establishment, governments both national and local, and other powers-that-be) have less interest in our child’s well-being than they do in our compliance. Herd immunity is far more important to them than individuals.

    Parents don’t have a herd (well, unless four boys translates to one). We have our own children to think about. The truth is We don’t give a damn about the herd. Kind of like the establishment doesn’t give a damn about our children. Not really.

    I came face to face with this when on of my sons (an adult now) contracted the Measles from a bad batch of vaccinations back in the 90s. I don’t mean he got a rash and a runny nose. I mean he got the Measles and was very sick for better than two weeks. The response from those I reported it to–the doctor who confirmed it and the nurse at the health department who gave it to him?

    “Yes. He does. That happens sometimes.”

    The doctor was decent enough, but basically shrugged it off. The kid would be fine. What more did I want? (We didn’t go back to him. The only reason I saw him was that our family doctor–a man who would have been sympathetic–moved his practice to another town).

    The nurse at the health department issued the above quote, wished me a nice day. And hung up. No empathy. No “Gosh. I’m sorry. That must be rough. Would you like to come by and talk to us about it?” Nope. Because he was just a number. It had a profound effect on my outlook and forever altered my approach to vaccinations and those who claimed they knew what was best for my children.

    The boys are all adults now. The boy who contracted the Measles back then is in nursing school and works in a hospital part time. He talked about vaccinations on his last visit and explained how they worked (I kind of knew this, but let him tell me anyway), and then made an interesting comment, “You know, Mom. I’m kind of pro-vaccination. I hope you don’t mind.” (I don’t. He’ll have to make these decisions himself). “But I think they start giving them to them too young. The only reason I can see for it is if the mother isn’t nursing or plans to put her newborn in child care. Sarah (his fiance) and I plan for her to stay home when the time comes.” Bright boy.

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    1. You changed your whole outlook on modern science and medicine because you got one unsatisfactory response from one unknown employee of some health department. Wow! I always make important decisions about my children’s safety in a fit of pique, too. Good thinking (or whatever it was).

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      1. No….she changed her outlook because she realized that 1. Vaccines don’t really work (even if you don’t get the disease, your immune system will suffer for years), and 2. That the medical establishment (and the government, and certainly the pharmaceuticals companies) do not really care about you. I know that may be hard news for people who still believe they do, but they truly don’t.

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  14. I encourage everyone to get vaccinated against everything, have their feet surgically removed so that you don’t lose them later to diabetes, have breasts removed so as to prevent breast cancer, have all hair removed from the body to prevent ingrown hairs, etc… Perhaps God is a perfect designer and man and his ideas screw everything up…starting with Adam and Eve.

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      1. Chemfreemom,
        I am really starting to take offense from your comments. I can appreciate that you have a different point of view, and I (and many others) have been trying to present evidence to demonstrate that the evidence on which you are basing your opinions is flawed and has been presented to you by individuals who 1. have their own agendas 2. do not fully understand either the science behind vaccinations or the scientific method itself.

        The medical community doesn’t care about you or your children?! If you saw the years of hard work it took to become a doctor, and then the years of hard work that follow that, and if you saw the tears shed for our patients and with our patients’ families when an outcome is bad, and the overall passion with which everyone in the medical field works, then maybe you wouldn’t make such outlandish claims. The vast majority of physicians (and nurse practitioners and RNs, etc.) entered the medical profession because we DO care. There is no conspiracy. We are not in cahoots with pharmaceutical companies, meeting in secret and cackling and counting the piles of money we make off of vaccination. Rather, we have seen the data, read the studies, and know the devastation these diseases can cause, and have decided vaccination is the safest and most effective way to prevent diseases, many of which are not able to be treated once contracted (ie the viruses).

        Again, I repeat my offer of providing some links to more reputable sources from which you can learn about how vaccination works. Please let me know.

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    1. This to me highlights the problem the anit-vaxx group has. With the attempt to be funny the actually connection is completly different then your comments. To be comparable of removing your breasts to avoid cancer the argument would be removing your skin to avoid the measles. Which, at least to my knowledge, is not what happens with vaccinations. But this seems typical with the argument against vaccinations. It’s how the autism argument started. It’s how the fear of the level of someof the components are dangerous but I hear an assumption that the amount is extremely dangerous. This false analogy is a classic logical fallacy.

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      1. It would actually be more like removing your lungs to avoid the measles, but you have a valid point. Nuance and detail escape them.

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      2. I expected some to get hung up on the technicalities of the analogy. My point is that when we attempt to prevent the unlikely we often make things worse. We are in fact “removing” when we receive a vaccination. We are removing the bodies’ natural defense mechanisms such as mucus (many others) when we inject something foreign directly into the blood stream. And vaccinations are certainly not totally safe thus the Vaccination Injury Compensation program. I fully understand that people think they are doing the right thing by receiving and promoting vaccinations, but to demand others to do what one thinks is best is fundamentally against what this country stands for. The seat belt law is often brought up, but why not be consistent and eradicate death due to automobiles by banishing all automobiles?
        I would also like to see consistency among those who promote vaccinations in the name of prevention by preventing other diseases in themselves and kids such as diabetes and cancer. The diet of modern day children is much more detrimental than small pox, measles, etc…
        If someone wants to tackle my child and force them to receive a vaccination, may I tackle their child and take their fruit juice away and force a cucumber in their mouth. I’m sure my child will be paying for their healthcare one day.
        People are way to trusting today of news media, pastors, doctors, scientists, etc… Just use some plain common sense and seek truth. Fear causes all sorts of irrationality.

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      3. Semantics with regard to the analogy. You’re missing the point.

        I think she’s just trying to say that we’ve become a society that sees health through a veil of fear. We seem to have no faith in our God-given immune system to fight these diseases and don’t seem to care why we are getting them in the first place. It’s not just because they’re out there, it’s because our immune systems aren’t working properly because our food is crap (due to GMOs, pesticides, processing it out of recognition, etc.), we don’t get enough exercise and Vitamin D (sunshine), our air and water is polluted by large companies and by drugs and antibiotics that are just thrown away, because vaccines damage our natural immune response, and the list goes on. Science is responsible for some of that because they just keep coming up with more chemicals that are supposedly “safe,” only to be overused or misused or later found to be unsafe. I’m not against science, I’m just saying it is by no means infallible. And, the government allows these large businesses to profit as they destroy our environment and our health, and none more than the pharmaceutical companies. Drugs have their place, but they are overused, prescribed incorrectly and not tested properly a lot of the time. Every society thinks they are correct in their current approach to health and that their methods are state of the art, or they wouldn’t be doing it. But, throughout history when science comes up with new information, they see that there’s a better way. Look back at some of the treatments that used to be used and unimaginable it is today This kind of new information is happening with the overuse of drugs right now, little by little. We see that a lot of the antibiotics are no longer working because of the overuse, and whether you are willing to read the studies we’ve been providing you with or not, some of them show that viruses change, like pertussis. Some experts feel that these viruses are changing in response to the overuse of vaccines, just like what happened with the antibiotics. What makes the studies done by these experts any less valid than the studies you point to to prove your point? Nothing, except they’re not paid for or done by the CDC or pharmaceutical companies themselves, and they happen to disagree with the status quo. People are catching on to the fact that not only don’t you need all these drugs and chemicals to maintain your health, but that with some exceptions, you’re actually destroying your health by using them. Don’t you hear these crazy drug commercials? “Oh, you have dry eyes? Well, take this drug and it will solve your problem” and then as this cheerful music plays, they say really quickly, as if it doesn’t matter…”can cause eye twitching, cataracts, blindness, and rarely can be fatal.” I just made all that up so I have no idea what the actual side effects are for dry eye medication, but I’m making a point that we’ve become a nation that will take a drug for almost any problem and pay little to no mind to the possible side effects or to what it does to your health over all. How many elderly people do you know who take at least 5 or 6 medications and who take some medications to treat the side effects of one of the other medications? I probably know at least 6 elderly people in that situation, and I hear about a lot more from friends. Sure, we may be living longer, but our health is horrible in the U.S. Health can never be found at the bottom of a pill bottle. Most drugs today treat the symptoms of an illness and with great cost to our natural state of health. Alternative medicine treats the underlying causes, the problems that caused the disease in the first place, and usually with no side effects.

        To one of the other comments: If I had Diabetes, Insulin would be my absolute LAST resort. I’d concentrate on dietary changes and exercise and even supplements first. There are many people who manage Diabetes in this way. But, don’t forget that it can be prevented probably 90 % of the time with the right diet and exercise also.

        To Anonymous: When I said the Medical Establishment doesn’t care about you, I wasn’t saying doctors aren’t caring people. I have many friends who are doctors, and though I don’t think they are part of any conspiracy (or that there even IS a conspiracy necesarily), I also don’t think they deserve the status that people often give them. Many people will believe whatever their doctor says without checking into what the doctor is recommending and why. Doing their own homework. A good doctor will encourage you to get a second and even third opinion, and to do research on your own. Because a good doctor knows that he is just another person and can make mistakes. In fact, I don’t remember the exact amount, but something like over 100,000 people in US are killed each year by medical mistakes. It’s silly to just blindly trust something as vital as your health to someone else just because they went to school a little bit longer. What you guys aren’t getting is that, though a doctor may have a lot more information about the body, and drugs etc., than I do, it does not mean he or she has all the answers. There is no black and white answer, there are just different opinions on how to approach health issues. Hopefully, those opinions, especially if they’re coming from a doctor, are based on science. But, even if you go to school for 15 years, if what your taught there, or some important facet of it, turns out to be wrong, then it really didn’t help the situation, and may have made it worse. Wouldn’t you want to know all new information that pertains to how you treat patients, from all reputable sources, not just those that support what you already believe? This has always happened, we call it progress. But, if you read about some of the instances when new information came out to make people question the current methods and beliefs, it’s always the same outcome. The people who still hold the current beliefs laugh at those doing the questioning and attack their credibility. Sometimes that goes on for years, before the evidence can no longer be denied and then it starts to shift. I get that you think I don’t know what I’m talking about and that I’m providing studies that aren’t reputable; and frankly, I don’t think you’re really reading the studies. It may not be proven beyond a doubt that vaccines are causing problems for a large group of people, but it’s not proven beyond a doubt that they’re 100% safe either. Despite what the government — CDC — tells you. Just because you may not like the website that has compiled the links to these studies, does not mean the studies themselves are faulty. Read them and maybe you’ll see that there is at the very least reason to continue the investigation. And, I’m sure you know as a doctor that you actually have to read the studies, not just the abstract because as a summary, the abstract has to be opinion to some degree. In other words, ten different scientists could read a study and interpret the results slightly differently. That’s partly why I don’t think science is as objective as it’s given credit for. And, I don’t think doctors are bad any more than I think any other group of people is bad. Doctors, just like vaccination proponents and vaccination opponents are all just people and, therefore, most are good, decent people and a few are less decent. In a lot of ways, doctors are victims of the system too. It’s just like when we criticize the CDC or some other government organization for its part in hiding information about vaccines for one, from the public–it doesn’t mean that we think that everyone who works for the CDC is bad and part of a conspiracy. But some higher-ups there are withholding information that it is their duty to report and our right to know. Do a search on “CDC whistleblower.” He’s just been given immunity, and will be testifying in front of congress about how the CDC left out pertinent information on a study he participated in of a vaccine, because it showed a significant increase of autism in African American boys in particular, after having been vaccinated. He turned over tons of documents as proof. Will it be honestly and thoroughly investigated or just glossed over? We’ll see.

        Anyway, I tire of this argument and only engage in it, not to convince anyone not to vaccinate, but hopefully to educate people who want to blame unvaccinated kids when some people get the measles, and who think there is no reason to study vaccines any more. You should always be open to new information in science, especially when that science is telling you to inject a host of ingredients, some classified as neurotoxins by the EPA, into our most vulnerable population. And, this is not an argument between doctors and parents, as the media would have you believe. This is an argument between scientists who have differing opinions, it’s just that one group is not being represented fairly, or often, at all.

        Here’s the link to at least 100 different studies that indicate a need to further investigate vaccines:

        http://www.greatergoodmovie.org/learn-more/science/

        Don’t disregard the studies just because you don’t agree with the people who compiled the list.

        And, one more thing I wanted to address:

        The CDC website has a demographic for people who are “under-vaccinating” or not vaccinating at all. Lower income families are under-vaccinating, but it is higher income, college-educated people who are mostly not vaccinating at all. I’ve seen vaccine proponents try to lump those who don’t vaccinate into groups like hippies, uneducated hicks, and right-wing religious nuts, but the truth is that those who don’t vaccinate are both liberal and conservative, educated, and they’ve done their home work on this issue. Many are doctors or scientists themselves, but are hesitant to speak out publicly because in the media-fueled atmosphere of intolerance toward those who think differently on this topic, their credibility is instantly attacked if they do, despite being highly respected beforehand.

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      4. Science, as well as decisions for your health, do not operate under false assumptions and bad analogies. Nuisance is key for a hypothesis to be repeatable or fail. As I stated this seems like a common thought process of the Anti-Vaxx community. It is a cute analogy that can generated an emotional response but it isn’t actually an accurate analogy so it makes the point moot. As far as trusting in our immune system its a bit of a head scratcher. When the world relied on just our immune systems we died before we were 50. When I was in 5th grade I got E.coli and was in the hospital for two weeks. The doctors thought I was going to die. I was told then my immune system will never be the same. It took a serious hit. Immune systems are not all created equal, at least vaccinations attempt to level the playing field.

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  15. The same people who promote vaccines to prevent a disease are the same people who refuse to give up sugar and processed food to prevent diabetes. Even worse, they are worried about there kids getting measles, but who cares if they get fatty liver.

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    1. I couldn’t agree more…they worship science when it suits them despite the fact that science has destroyed our food supply, our water, our air and our health care system. But…if you point to a scientific study that actually speaks some truth and says anything at all negative or questionable about their precious vaccines, then suddenly it’s nonsense…

      It will take a huge paradigm shift for people to go from worshipping drugs and surgery and fearing germs to learning that supporting your immune system with good nutrition and sunshine is the way to true health…

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      1. I’m unsure how any of this makes sense. Science did not cause the harm you speak of, people abusing knowledge is what has but science is turning it around faster then if we just went off of sunshine. It’s silly to think this thinking of good nutrition and sunshine is the cure all or “new”. Sorry but before the industrial revolution I would wager the fisherman in China did that. Or the farmer in Ukraine. Life expectancies will always be low if that is what people think is really the healthiest option. All though I wager if you needed insulin because you had severe diabetes you would take it. Or if you were bit by a snake and were able to take a shot of a cure you would as well. Well I’ll let you in on a little secret, the sciene that created those were founded on the same vain as vaccinations. Researchers and medical professions doing actual studying and testing to improve the life of all.

        You also look silly thinking your “scientific study” actually has merit in the science world. There has been mire studies to disprove thr anti vax group then there should ever be. And those are actual scientific studies. You cabt discredit science of the opposite side by essentially ignoring that science studies to exist that go against your position. Shows a lack of confidence in your argument.

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  16. You do realize that science today is not science in 20 years? Science thought the world was flat. Science thought the earth was a million years old, then a billion, and so on. Science thought coffee was good for you, no, bad, no, good. Science thought fat was good for you, nope, its bad for you, uh-oh its good. Many examples of “science” could be brought up, but the point is science is not stagnant. Science eventually comes around to the truth, it may just take a really long time and I’m not putting my trust in something constantly changing. I would rather trust that which is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

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    1. You do understand that science today is nothing like science when we thought the world was flat right? Science today requires the use of the scientific method. It requires repeatable results. It requires peer review. It requires controls and criticism. That is science today. To through today’s science in the mix with the world being flat is why a person like you should rely on vaccinations more then anyone else since you don’t understand science enough to actually make objective choices. Science is evolving though and sometimes they get things ‘wrong’. But that is what makes science beautiful. it evolves and grows. Also to blast science because of very small samples of changes is a bit silly. Science introduced hygiene. Science introduced penicillin. Science introduced systems to provide clean water to places that it wasn’t before. Science created plastics which has probably saved billions of lives. Science has created working arms for people that don’t have them. Science has created a way for someone with bad kidneys live. Science made it so we can actually have this conversation from anywhere in the world. Its hard to believe that someone would discredit all science because some things have changed over time.

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    2. No, science never thought the world was flat. Legend and superstition did, but it was science and math that proved them wrong, along with years of experience.

      “Science thought coffee was good for you, no, bad, no, good. Science thought fat was good for you, nope, its bad for you, uh-oh its good.”

      You really have to stop confusing science with popular media. They’re quite fond of reporting the results of one study as if it means something. Which, of course, it actually does – more ad revenue. It’s a shame you don’t really understand the process, and what science consists of.

      In the meantime, do you think you could take a look at what you’re actually saying, and double check things before you stick your foot into your mouth again?

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  17. That was quite the overreaction. I think science is fantastic and I love it! However, I realize that science is constantly growing and changing and do not depend on it for knowledge and life. Science in the medical field is great for treatment of major events such as heart attack, broken limb, impaled body, etc…It is not so good at prescribing medicine for prevention of illness and disease. Some of your list of scientific achievements are interesting to me as I try to avoid plastic and avoid hygienic products that leach poison into the skin. I never discredited all science…I said I don’t put my trust in so called science. Even science with all its controls is often wrong. Vaccinations have been implemented and then pulled due to science. It’s not natural to inject a toxin directly into the blood stream to possibly prevent a disease. The current flu vaccine should be proof enough that vaccines don’t work. People get whooping cough all the time despite being vaccinated.
    With the constant growth of SIDS, autism, type 1 diabetes, etc… you would think people would step back and question what could be causing the increase in disease and death in children. I don’t know what’s causing it, but I do my best to protect my family from such disease by avoiding environmental toxins to the best of my ability. I couldn’t bare the anguish of my child contracting type 1 or autism or something else due to injecting a toxin unnaturally into their bloodstream. Though it would be tough, I could live with a natural disease attacking my child. I feel pretty confident that my child would be healthy enough to combat most of the vaccinated diseases.

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    1. Avoiding Plastic is an interesting idea… all though practically everything of connivence that you use has it somewhere in it. The lightweight alone makes cares not only safer but more fuel efficient. I will go out on a limb and suggest your keyboard is plastic. I wasn’t talking about the overuse of plastics (which I will agree is something we should avoid) that are used to wrap our food in or package toys. I am talking about the actual plastics that make life what it is today.

      I do find it interesting your comments about not being able to sleep by giving your child autism. We have nothing short of a casual connection that autism is caused by vaccinations. However I don’t know how the 90+ parents that have left disneyland sleep at night. That knowingly and willingly put there child in that position. Hopefully no long term damage like hearing loss comes out of it. Disneyland gets millions of visitors a year and this outbreak is pretty singular in the last decade or so. That is a pretty good control to show that when the population is mostly vaccinated outbreaks are a lot less likely. Better to make a choice on facts about preventing the spread of the measles then assumptions that are not actually generally accepted as true with the prevention of autism.

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      1. “However I don’t know how the 90+ parents that have left disneyland sleep at night. That knowingly and willingly put there child in that position. Hopefully no long term damage like hearing loss comes out of it. ”

        The vaccinated or unvaccinated?

        “That is a pretty good control to show that when the population is mostly vaccinated outbreaks are a lot less likely. Better to make a choice on facts about preventing the spread of the measles then assumptions that are not actually generally accepted as true with the prevention of autism.”

        The relationship between vaccinations and lack of disease is the exact same relationship as vaccinations and increase in autism. Vaccinations cannot be proved to prevent disease nor cause autism as of now.

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      2. to call something an absolute proof is challenging in science. However we have a pretty clear example of how vaccinations work and how they don’t work thanks to the anti vaxx group growing. GB and the USA are starting to not only see increased reports of the measles but also outbreaks. We also see a rise in kids not getting vaccinated. That is not the only correlation though. The fact that vaccinations took some diseases like the measles to record lows year after year as more parents vaccinated their children shows a bit more clear and convincing evidence that would support vaccinations do a lot to prevent something like the measles.

        In fact I would have an easier time at least attempting to see what the anti vaxx group was saying if the information wasn’t so contradictory. I keep hearing on here about how more and more are not vaccinating their child but autism rates keep rising. That is inconsistent with the proposition that autism is caused by vaccinations. You are right that neither are 100% proven. However one at least has positive correlations that span decades on both increases and decreases in statistics.

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    2. ” It’s not natural to inject a toxin directly into the blood stream to possibly prevent a disease.”
      Well, then, I guess it’s a good thing we don’t do that. But then, it’s not natural to live in buildings, travel faster than foot speed or through the air, or eat cooked food.

      You have to stop idolizing ‘nature’ since it couldn’t care less about you. Nature would be just as well served if you ended up dead and feeding worms. It just doesn’t care. In fact, it’s often trying very hard to kill you. Hurricanes, the plague, and tsunamis are all perfectly natural.

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    3. “With the constant growth of SIDS”

      Do you really never check anything before you say it, or are you just dishonest?

      The rate of SIDS has decreased significantly since about 1980. It’s actually less than half of what it was then. Do you not care at all about accurate information?
      “Between 1992 and 1998, the proportion of infants placed to sleep on their stomachs declined from about 70 percent to about 17 percent.
      Between 1992 and 1998, the SIDS rate declined by about 40 percent, from 1.2 per 1,000 live births to 0.72 per 1,000 live births.”

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  18. I am hoping someone can help me figure out how to go about testing for the MTHFR mutation that LeviQuackenboss mentions he has been able to test his kids for. I looked on 23 and me where he got the test done but since they stopped doing the health-related reports it does not appear that their results would show the mutation. Can anyone help me out and tell me where I can get a test for the mutation? Thank you!

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  19. Levi, why are all these pro and anti vaxxer people camped out on your blog?? Surely there must be better ways for them to communicate with each other or to get their points across to others, such as “with their own websites” rather than jumping in here on your post to push their own agenda’s.

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  20. 0Prominent Pediatrician Dr. Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D. ‘Speaks Out Against Measles Vaccine:-

    THE MEDICAL TIME BOMB OF IMMUNIZATION AGAINST DISEASE The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them by ROBERT S. MENDELSOHN, M.D.
    MEASLES
    Measles, also called rubeola or ‘English measles,” is a contagious viral disease that can ‘be contracted by touching an object used by an infected person. At the onset the victim feels tired, has a slight fever and pain in the head and back. His eyes redden and he may be sensitive to light. The fever rises until about the third or fourth day, when it reaches 103- 104 degrees. Sometimes small white spots can be seen inside the mouth, and a rash of small pink spots appears below the hair line and behind the ears. This rash spreads downward to cover the body in about 36 hours. The pink spots may run together but fade away in about three or four days. Measles is contagious for seven or eight days, beginning three or four days be-fore the rash appears. Consequently, if one of your children contracts the disease, the others probably will have been exposed to it before you know the first I child is sick.
    No treatment is required for measles other than bed rest, fluids to combat possible dehydration from fever, and calamine lotion or cornstarch baths to relieve the itching. If the child suffers from photophobia, the blinds in his bedroom should be lowered to darken the room. However, contrary to the popular myth, there is no danger of permanent blindness from this disease.
    A vaccine to prevent measles is an-other element of the MMR inoculation given in early childhood. Doctors maintain that the inoculation is necessary to prevent measles encephalitis, which they say occurs about once in 1,000 cases. After decades of experience with measles, I question this statistic, and so do many other pediatricians. The incidence of 1/1,000 may be accurate for children who live in conditions of poverty and malnutrition, but in the middle-and upper-income brackets, if one excludes simple sleepiness from the measles itself, the incidence of true encephalitis is probably more like 1/10,000 or 1/100,000.
    After frightening you with the unlikely possibility of measles encephalitis, your doctor can rarely be counted on to tell you of the dangers associated with the vaccine he uses to prevent it. The measles vaccine is associated with encephalopathy and with a series of other complications such as SSPE (subacute sclerosing panencephalitis), which causes hardening of the brain and is invariably fatal.
    Other neurologic and sometimes fatal conditions associated with the measles vaccine include ataxia (inability to coordinate muscle movements), mental retardation, aseptic meningitis, seizure disorders, and hemiparesis (paralysis affecting one side of the body). Secondary complications associated with the vaccine may be even more frightening. They include encephalitis, juvenile-onset diabetes, Reye’s syndrome, and multiple sclerosis.
    I would consider the risks associated with measles vaccination unacceptable even if there were convincing evidence that the vaccine works. There isn’t. While there has been a decline in the incidence of the disease, it began long before the vaccine was introduced. In 1958 there were about 800,000 cases of measles in the United States, but by 1962-the year before a vaccine appeared-the number of cases had dropped by 300,000. During the next four years, while children were being vaccinated with an ineffective and now abandoned “killed virus” vaccine, the number of cases dropped another 300,000. In 1900 there were 13.3 measles deaths per 100,000 population. By 1955, before the first measles shot, the death rate had declined 97.7 percent to only 0.03 deaths per 100,000.
    Those numbers alone are dramatic evidence that measles was disappearing before the vaccine was introduced. If you fail to find them sufficiently convincing, consider this: in a 1978 survey of thirty states, more than half of the children who contracted measles had been adequately vaccinated. Moreover, according to the World Health Organization, the chances are about fifteen times greater that measles will be contracted by those vaccinated for them than by those who are not.
    “Why,” you may ask, “in the face of these facts, do doctors continue to give the shots?” The answer may lie in an episode that occurred in California fourteen years after the measles vaccine was introduced. Los Angeles suffered a severe measles epidemic during that year, and parents were urged to vaccinate all children six months of age and older-despite a Public Health Service warning that vaccinating children below the age of one year was useless and potentially harmful.
    Although Los Angeles doctors responded by routinely shooting measles vaccine into very kid they could get their hands on, several local physicians familiar with the suspected problems of immunologic failure and “slow virus” dangers chose not to vaccinate their own infant children. Unlike their patients, who weren’t told, they realized that “slow viruses” found in all live vaccines, and particularly in the measles vaccine, can hide in human tissue for years. They may emerge later in the form of encephalitis, multiple sclerosis, and as potential seeds for the development and growth of cancer.
    One Los Angeles physician who refused to vaccinate his own seven-month-old baby said: “I’m worried about what happens when the vaccine virus may not only offer little protection against measles but may also stay around in the body, working in a way we don’t know much about.” His concern about the possibility of these consequences for his own child, however, did not cause him to stop vaccinating his infant patients. He rationalized this contradictory behavior with the comment that “As a parent, I have the luxury of making a choice for my child. As a physician… legally and professionally I have to accept the recommendations of the profession, which is what we also had to do with the whole Swine Flu business.”
    Perhaps it is time that lay parents and their children are granted the same luxury that doctors and their children enjoy.
    ROBERT S. MENDELSOHN, M.D.
    A prominent pediatrician, M.D. in the state of Illinois.
    He graduated from the prestigious Pritzker School of Medicine at the University of Chicago in 1951 and held various positions on the faculty of the University of Illinois’ Abraham School of Medicine.
    He was director of ambulatory pediatric services at Chicago’s prominent Michael Reese Medical Center.

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    Immunocomprised Patients
    More proof of the dangers of the toxic, neurotoxic and carcinogenic vaccinations:-

    The Johns Hopkins Hospital Patient Information
    Care at Home for the immunocompromised Patient
    Extract:
    Can I have visitors?

    Tell friends and family who are sick, or have recently had a live vaccine (such as chicken pox, measles, rubella, intranasal influenza, polio or smallpox) not to visit.

    It may be a good idea to have visitors call first.

    Avoid contact with children who were recently vaccinated.
    http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/kimmel_cancer_center/_downloads/patient_info/chemo/care%20at%20home%20of%20immunocompromised%20patient%204.pdf

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    St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital
    Inpatient Visiting Guidelines
    St. Jude staff members understand that love and support from family and friends are essential to helping your child adjust to being in the hospital. Even so, we need you to follow the hospital’s visiting guidelines to protect the health and the safety of your child and all St. Jude patients. The following is a shortened version of the visiting guidelines. For a more complete list, see the notebook you received during your first few days at St. Jude.

    See “Do You Know…Visiting Guidelines.”
    Parents or primary caregivers may stay with their children 24 hours a day, because they are not considered visitors.

    Many St. Jude patients have weak immune systems. Visitors should not enter the hospital if they are sick or have ben exposed to illnesses that are easy to spread (contagioius).

    Please follow all posted guidelines for using masks, gowns and gloves.

    Clean your hands each time you enter or leave a patient room.

    The number of parents and other visitors must be limited to three (3) for the Hematology-Oncology Inpatient Unit and two (2) in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU), Stem Cell Transplant Unit and the Ambulatory Care Unit (ACU). The air cleaning system can do a better job when fewer people are in the room.

    Many patients make friends at St. Jude; however, for the health of each patient, inpatients should not visit other inpatient rooms. Also, outpatients should not visit the inpatient units.

    Only one (1) caregiver at a time may stay overnight in the inpatient room. This person can be a sibling, age 15 or older. Siblings younger than 15 may stay overnight in the parent room if the parent is present.

    For your child’s safety and your comfort, you may not sleep on the floor.

    Friends and family members 12 years old and older may visit your child. Please talk to your doctor or nurse if you think it is important for someone younger than 12 to be with your child. Before younger children can visit your child, they must be screened for illness.

    Avoid live virus vaccines and people who have received one
    Some vaccines are made from live viruses. Currently, these include oral polio, smallpox, MMR (measles, mumps, and rubella), and nasal flu vaccines.
    These vaccines may pose a threat to your child’s health. Any person with a weakened immune system, including patients with cancer or HIV infection should not receive live virus vaccines.
    Do not allow people to visit your child if:
    They have received oral polio or smallpox vaccines within 4 weeks;

    They have received the nasal flu vaccine within one (1) week; or

    They have rashes after receiving the chickenpox (varicella) vaccine or MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine.
    http://www.stjude.org/stjude/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=20206f9523e70110VgnVCM1000001e0215acRCRD

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    Cumulative Aluminium Exposure and Neurological Disorders
    Posted on November 17, 2014 by ChildHealthSafety
    Review Article Aluminum-Induced Entropy in Biological Systems: Implications for Neurological Disease

    Journal of Toxicology 10/2014; Shaw, C.A., Seneff, S., Kette, S.D., Tomljenovic, L., Oller, J.W. and Davidson, R.M. (2014). Aluminum-Induced Entropy in Biological Systems: Implications for Neurological Disease. Journal of Toxicology, 2014, 27.. DOI: 10.1155/2014/491316

    ABSTRACT Over the last 200 years, mining, smelting, and refining of aluminum (Al) in various forms have increasingly exposed living species to this naturally abundant metal. Because of its prevalence in the earth’s crust, prior to its recent uses it was regarded as inert and therefore harmless. However, Al is invariably toxic to living systems and has no known beneficial role in any biological systems. Humans are increasingly exposed to Al from food, water, medicinals, vaccines, and cosmetics, as well as from industrial occupational exposure. Al disrupts biological self-ordering, energy transduction, and signaling systems, thus increasing biosemiotic entropy. Beginning with the biophysics of water, disruption progresses through the macromolecules that are crucial to living processes (DNAs, RNAs, proteoglycans, and proteins). It injures cells, circuits, and subsystems and can cause catastrophic failures ending in death. Al forms toxic complexes with other elements, such as fluorine, and interacts negatively with mercury, lead, and glyphosate. Al negatively impacts the central nervous system in all species that have been studied, including humans. Because of the global impacts of Al on water dynamics and biosemiotic systems, CNS disorders in humans are sensitive indicators of the Al toxicants to which we are being exposed.
    https://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2014/11/17/cumulative-aluminium-exposure-and-neurological-disorders/

    Also relevant to ‘water fluoridation chemicals’ – NEUROTOXICITY OF FLUORIDES/SILICOFLUORIDES AND CO-CONTAMINANTS including lead, mercury, arsenic, cadmium, thallium, beryllium, Aluminium sulphate and more) also relevant to ‘ingredients’ in vaccines.
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    Contaminated Vaccines
    This is my son and his Chickenpox. He is fully vaccinated and has vaccine damage.
    It was his little brother that brought Chickenpox home when the sibling of his class mate was freshly vaccinated. It spread through the whole school and of the 20 kids that caught it only 2 were unvaccinated. My little one (unvaxed) had a few spots and a week off school, not because he was sick but because we didn’t want to spread it more. His big brother (pictured in link hereunder) was really sick for several weeks, high temp and we stopped counting spots at 300.
    Vaccines are dangerous and clearly ineffective.

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    Vaccine Injury Info – Doctors
    “There are unanswered questions about vaccine safety… No one should be threatened by the pursuit of this knowledge.” “I think public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as irrational without sufficient studies of causation.” – Dr Bernadine Healy, MD (Former Director, National Institute of Health and Former President, American Red Cross)

    “There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good.” “The manufacturers of these vaccines know they are worthless but they go on selling them anyway.” – Dr J Anthony Morris, PhD (Former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and Research Virologist, US FDA)

    “Crib death was so infrequent in the pre-vaccination era that it was not even mentioned in the statistics, but it started to climb in the 1950s with the spread of mass vaccination.” – Dr Harris L Coulter, PhD

    “Vaccination is the single most prevalent and most preventable cause of infant deaths.”- Dr Viera Scheibner, PhD

    “The only safe vaccine is one that is never used.” – Dr James A Shannon, MD (Former Director, National Institutes of Health)

    “We are setting up the younger generation for a potential calamity. Vaccines build up only one line of your immune system (the antibody system) but put the main immune system (cellular immunity) to sleep. You need both for fully developed immunity.” – Dr Robert Rowen, MD

    Quotes from Doctors Regarding Vaccination
    “Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio.” –Dr. Allen Greenberg, MD

    “In my medical career I’ve treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated ones.” – Dr. Philip Incao, MD

    “I found the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realize that this is not so.” – Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD

    “The vaccinations are not working and they are dangerous. We should be working with nature.” – Dr. Lendon Smith, MD

    “There is no scientific evidence that vaccinations are of any benefit, but it is clear that they cause a great deal of harm.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD

    “All vaccines are and have been causing ischemic (impaired blood flow) damages – to all – creating a plethora of chronic illnesses, disease, and in some instances, death. The injury from vaccination is additive; each vaccination further injures.” – Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD

    “When you impair the brain blood flow by vaccination you can impair the respiration control center which can result in death. We call it SIDS.” – Dr. Andrew Moulden MD, PhD

    “Vaccination is the most dangerous medical practice in the history of classical medicine.” – Dr. Sladjana Velkov (Macedonia)

    “I have lectured all over the world… I have always had a special interest in newspapers. All of them have one thing in common, there is always some reference made to some epidemic in some part of the world. For instance, two years ago, one paper referred to a polio epidemic in Holland. For the past three years, our newspapers have commented on the diphtheria epidemic in Russia. By these means, the population is constantly threatened with epidemics, they have been made to fear them, and the reports always conclude: “Go and get vaccinated.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD

    “To create fear among parents to strengthen their motivation to vaccinate is an important part of the publicity used to promote vaccinations. A whole branch of research is examining the question: What level of fear needs to be created to appear as convincing as possible?” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD

    “In 1866, an English physician described a very strange illness. Children looked like Mongols. His name was Down. That’s why we call it Down’s Syndrome today… I should add that this syndrome is a result of the vaccinations carried throughout England by Jenner in 1796… It (Down’s Syndrome) is probably the first congenital disease caused by vaccinations. In Germany, the first child with evidence of Down’s Syndrome was reported in 1922. Today, one in every 700 newborns has it.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD

    “There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age.” – Dr. Paul Frame, MD, Journal of Family Practice

    “Only after realizing that routine immunizations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates.” – Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD

    “I’ll talk about vaccines. Number one, vaccines make people sick. They don’t work. They don’t protect. The use of vaccines is totally wrong! It’s perfect nonsense based on fear. They are dangerous. One child out of five has overwhelming disabilities from vaccines – nuerological problems, seizures. I’ve got a whole list. There are plenty of books on this subject. Doctors don’t even read about this.” – Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD

    “During those 30 years I have run against so many histories of little children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldn’t put my finger on the disease they have. They just weren’t strong. Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they were vaccinated. They have never been well since.” – Dr. William Howard Hay, MD

    “Nobody needs to be confused but everybody better be darn well frightened about taking any vaccine, under any circumstance, for any reason, at any time in their life.” – Dr. Daniel H. Duffy Sr., DC (retired air force officer – 21 yrs., family doctor – 28 yrs., vaccination researcher – 49 yrs.)

    “I vaccinated both my children with the MMR jab, but this was before I started my research into the problems associated with it. Knowing what I know now, I would not vaccinate my children and run the risk of them getting diabetes, asthma, eczema, becoming more susceptible to meningitis and ending up chronically disabled.” – Dr. Jayne Donegan, GP, Homeopath

    “Had my mother and father known that the poliovirus vaccines of the 1950s were heavily contaminated with more than 26 monkey viruses, including the cancer virus SV40, I can say with certainty that they would not have allowed their children and themselves to take those vaccines. Both of my parents might not have developed cancers suspected of being vaccine-related, and might even be alive today.” – Dr. Howard B. Urnovitz, PhD, CEO, CSO and co-founder of Chronix Biomedical

    “Childhood vaccines are giving us a world of chronic illness: autism, developmental disorders, Asperger’s Syndrome, brain tumors, leukemia, cancers, information processing disorders, impulsive violence, allergies, asthma, diabetes, Crohn’s disease, intestinal disorders, are just some of the vaccine associated disorders.” – Dr. Tedd Koren, DC

    “I am no longer trying to dig up evidence to prove vaccines cause autism. There is already abundant evidence. This debate is not scientific but is political.” Dr. David Ayoub, MD

    “There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there’s one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes, until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There’s just converging evidence from many, many directions.” – Dr. Bernard Rimland, PhD, Founder and Former Director of the Autism Research Institute

    “When the link between the use of unsafe, mercury-laden vaccine and autism, ADHD, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine will be sporting a huge, self-inflicted and well-deserved black eye. Then will come the billion-dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and their families.” – Dr. Bernard Rimland, PhD, founder and former director of the Autism Research Institute

    “The greatest threat to our health today is the medical community, and one of their most dangerous tools is vaccination – particularly the horrific procedure of injecting foreign protein into newborn infants!” – Dr. Daniel H. Duffy, DC

    The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunization….There is no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease.” – Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD, Author

    “We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us against eventual aggressive viruses and microbes, and, therefore, prevent contagious illnesses and epidemics. This lie has been perpetuated for 150 years despite the ineffectiveness of vaccines in protecting against illnesses.” – Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD

    “Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin Polio Vaccines, being made from monkey kidney tissue, have been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country.” – Dr. F. Klenner, MD

    “As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these children is that any child given the Hep B vaccination at birth and subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of neurotoxin in the form of the ethyl mercury in the thimerosal preservative used in the vaccine. In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility (probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic spectrum disorder.” – Dr. Jaquelyn McCandless, MD

    “In 1976 I was working in the Gulf Country around Cape York, in an aboriginal community of about 300 people. The Health Department sent around a team and vaccinated about 100 of them against flu. Six were dead within 24 hours or so and they weren’t all old people, one man being in his early twenties. They threw the bodies in trucks to take to the coast where autopsies were done. It appeared they had died from heart attacks.” – Dr. Archie Kalokerinos, MD

    “As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to have a naturopathic physician available. Almost all drugs are toxic and are designed only to treat symptoms and not to cure anyone.” – Dr. Alan Greenberg, MD

    “According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, from 1911 to 1935 the four leading causes of childhood deaths from infectious diseases in the U.S.A. were diptheria, pertussis, scarlet fever, and measles. However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these causes had declined by 95% before the implementation of mass vaccine programs.” – Dr. Harold Buttram, MD

    “I would consider the risks associated with measles vaccination unacceptable even if there were convincing evidence that the vaccine works. There isn’t. …. In 1900 there were 13.3 measles deaths per 100,000 population. By 1955, before the first measles shot, the death rate had declined 97.7 percent to only 0.03 deaths per 100,000.” – Dr. Mendelsohn, MD

    “Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860 and1965, because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles, occurred before the introduction of immunizations and antibiotics.” – Dr Archie Kalokerinos, MD

    “What the vaccinators don’t tell you is that communicable diseases have been declining at a steady rate for 150 years and that there is no relationship between the various diseases and the onset of immunization. Without exception, the vaccine program for each of the childhood diseases was inaugurated after that paticular diseases had begun to disappear. Contrary to what you have been told, this includes polio. What the vaccines have done is cause the various childhood diseases to become adulthood diseases – with far more serious implications, mumps in men and rubella in women for example.” – Dr. William Douglass, MD

    “For thirty years kids died from smallpox vaccinations even though no longer threatened by the disease.” – Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD

    “I have no faith in vaccination; I look upon it with the greatest possible disgust, and firmly believe that it is often the medium of conveying many filthy and loathsome diseases from one child to another, and no protection whatever against smallpox. Indeed, I consider we are now living in the Jennerian epoch for the slaughter of innocents, and the unthinking portion of the adult population.” – Dr. W.J. Collins, MD, BS, BSc, MRCS

    “Using kids as guinea pigs in potentially harmful vaccine experiments is every parents’ worst nightmare. This actually happened in 1989-1991 when Kaiser Permanente of Southern California and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) jointly conducted a measles vaccine experiment. Without proper parental disclosure, the Yugoslavian-made “high titre” Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine was tested on 1,500 poor, primarily black and Latino, inner city children in Los Angeles. Highly recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO), the high-potency experimental vaccine was previously injected into infants in Mexico, Haiti, and Africa. It was discontinued in these countries when it was discovered that the children were dying in large numbers.” – Dr. Alan Cantwell MD

    “There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.” – Dr. J. Anthony Morris, Former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US FDA

    “My own personal view is that vaccines are unsafe and worthless. I will not allow myself to be vaccinated again. Vaccines may be profitable but in my view, they are neither safe nor effective.” – Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB, ChB, DSc (Hon)

    “I once believed in Jenner; I once believed in Pasteur. I believed in vaccination. I believed in vivisection. But I changed my views as the result of hard thinking.” – Dr. Walter Hadwen, MD, LSA, MRCS, LRCP, MB

    “Cancer was practically unknown until compulsory vaccination with cowpox vaccine began to be introduced. I have had to deal with at least two hundred cases of cancer, and I never saw a case of cancer in an unvaccinated person.” – Dr. W. B. Clarke

    “No long-term safety testing for the influenza vaccine has ever been done. They are experimenting on our lives and our children. Influenza vaccine is an experimental vaccine. ” – Dr. Mark Geier, MD, PhD

    “There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good.” – Dr. J. Anthony Morris, Former Chief Vaccine Control Officer, US FDA

    “The only safe vaccine is one that is never used.” – Dr. James A. Shannon, MD, Former Director, National Institutes of Health (1955-1968)

    “Belief in immunization is a form of delusional insanity.” – Dr Herbert Shelton, MD

    “I don’t think measles poses any risk to a healthy child.” – Dr Jay Gordon, MD

    “I sincerely believe that vaccines cause more harm to the health of the individual than the “protection” and “benefit” they are proclaimed to provide. Staying healthy without vaccines is not only possible, but being vaccine-free is the only way to maintain a lifetime of real health.” – Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, DO
    http://vaccine-injury.info

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  21. Dr. Suzanne Humphries, M.D. – Vaccine Strain of Measles Virus Found in Measles Outbreaks
    12 February, 2015
    Health Impact News Editor Comments
    Dr. Suzanne Humphries is a practicing nephrologist (kidney physician). In this lecture (video below), she addresses a study done in Croatia [1] where a child who was vaccinated with the MMR vaccine was tested positive for the measles vaccine strain Schwarz eight days after vaccination.
    This was a significant finding, because the child’s symptoms were thought to be similar to rubella, and without testing, the sickness would have been possibly mis-diagnosed as rubella, or the wild-type strain of measles the vaccine is designed to protect against.
    This concept of “shedding,” where the child comes down with the disease from the virus in the vaccine itself, surprised the researchers:
    Virus excretion in vaccinees has been reported before, but to our knowledge, this is documented for the first time for the Schwarz vaccine strain. [1]
    Since 2010, this phenomena of vaccine shedding with measles in the MMR vaccine has been observed in at least two other studies:
    Differentiating the wild from the attenuated during a measles outbreak. Paediatrcis and Child Health, 2012:
    In the midst of a local measles outbreak, a recently immunized child was investigated for a new-onset measles-type rash. Nucleic acid testing identified that a vaccine-type measles virus was being shed in the urine. Clinically differentiating measles from a nonmeasles rash is challenging, but can be supported by a thorough medical history evaluation. Rashes are expected to occur after immunization; nucleic acid testing can be used when it is difficult to differentiate between wild and attenuated strains. [2]
    Case of vaccine-associated measles five weeks post-immunisation, British Columbia, Canada, Eurosurveillance, 2013:
    We describe a case of vaccine-associated measles in a two-year-old patient from British Columbia, Canada, in October 2013, who received her first dose of measles-containing vaccine 37 days prior to onset of prodromal symptoms. Identification of this delayed vaccine-associated case occurred in the context of an outbreak investigation of a measles cluster. [3]
    Are health officials testing cases of measles in the current outbreak in the United States, to determine if the measles strain is the wild strain of the vaccine strain?
    Not likely, and it is not likely that the mainstream media “TV doctors” will even discuss this as they falsely vilify parents who choose not to administer the MMR vaccine to their children as the cause of these outbreaks. Some of these cases are confirmed to be among those who have received the MMR vaccine, and for those who have not been vaccinated, is it possible they were infected from those recently vaccinated when the vaccine was still “shedding,” and that the vaccine-strain of measles was passed on from the vaccinated child to the unvaccinated child?

    References
    1. Spotlight on measles 2010: excretion of vaccine strain measles virus in urine and pharyngeal secretions of a child with vaccine associated febrile rash illness, Croatia, March 2010. Croatian Institute of Public Health, Department of Infectious Disease Epidemiology, Zagreb, Croatia. Eurosurveillance, Volume 15, Issue 35, 02 September 2010 (Full Text)
    2. Differentiating the wild from the attenuated during a measles outbreak. Communicable Disease Control, Alberta Health Services. Pediatricians and Child Health, Apr. 2012; 17(4) (Abstract)
    3. Case of vaccine-associated measles five weeks post-immunisation, Eurosurveillance, Volume 18, Issue 49, 05 December 2013 (Full Text)
    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-suzanne-humphries-m-d-vaccine-strain-of-measles-virus-found-in-measles-outbreaks/#sthash.GdgXcV0k.gbpl

    Vaccine – Kidney Damage- Neurological problems and cancer http://www.naturalhealth365.com/vaccine-safety-suzanne-humphries-1277.html
    Medical doctor speaks out about the dangers of vaccines and what you need to know – Dr. Suzanne Humphries is a kidney specialist and medical doctor who started to notice a disturbing trend in her patients. Sadly, the vast majority of conventionally-trained doctors barely even notice a danger to the public.
    A large number of her patients were experiencing illnesses from vaccines, in particular kidney damage and outright kidney failure.
    http://www.naturalhealth365.com/vaccine-safety-suzanne-humphries-1277.html

    Vaccines and how they are made – extract 2-Phenoxyethanol: This is the ingredient that has replaced thimerosal. It can cause systematic poisoning, headache, shock, weakness, convulsions, kidney damage, kidney failure, cardiac failure, death. http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Vaccines-And-How-They-Are-Made

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  22. Vaccinate or dont vaccinate, believe what you are told to believe or dont. It makes no difference to me. Im a nurse, yes, a Registered Nurse, with a 4 year degree, which by most accounts makes me a prime target to be attacked by people who believe i should be going along with modern medicine recommendations, regardless of safety. I didnt come to my decision lightly, in fact it was so hard to unclog my brain from all the ‘science’ i had learned from school, and what i thought i knew when my oldest was vaccinated, but with alot of reading and study i came to the conclusion that my field is filthy rich and dirty as anything else attached to money. Money runs the world. Money RUINS the world. Once people start realizing that its easier to see hey what ever did we do in the days BEFORE vaccines?! The answer astounded me: WE SURVIVED. Yes many died, but how many of you ever stopped to think that EVERY SINGLE DISEASE man has ever had to contend with died out ON ITS OWN without the aid of any vaccine? Yes thats true every single one of them every time they popped up in a new version, because they never die out completely, instead mutate and come back at a different point in history. Yes thats a fact. Measles, polio-type viruses, flu, pox type yea theyve all been around since time began. Its a never ending battle. What this should tell you is that you should not be worried about the diseases we vaccinate for, the same ones that arent devastating us, but the ones that havent been heard of in centuries and we have forgotten about or didnt even know existed. Yea those nasty bugs. The flu of 1918 is a great place to start reading. The single most deadly flu in recent history. No vaccine at no time could ever stop something like that. That particular strain prompted a massive immune response from the people it killed, which is what killed them. Interesting to note that that same virus shares many of the same markers as h1N1 of today.

    One last point to make: like i said i dont care if you believe or not or vaccinate or not but i draw the line when people try to tell me what to do with my property, my kids, or my healthcare. This is the point i will tell you you can piss up a proverbial rope. And if you try to stick a needle in me or my kids without my consent, your liable to start world war 3 and end up with lead in your crack. And to you all who think the risks of injury are minimal, they may be, until it happens to your child, then its a 100% risk, the one you can never take back.

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    1. Just please, please, tell me you aren’t still working in health care. I’d really hate to think that anyone is being given nursing care by someone who won’t follow modern medicine or science and who thinks thousands of deaths aren’t worth anything but a shrug of the shoulders.

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      1. There are many doctors and nurses and scientists who don’t believe in the current scientific paradigm, especially as it pertains to vaccines. A new era is approaching, thirdwarning, and it won’t be stopped. They may fight it for a while, with tooth and nail, but progress will arrive. The future of medicine lies in servicing the immune system with healthy, nutritious foods, and getting rid of as many toxins as possible, and that means doing away with most of these drugs….And, forcing your medications on people will only make even more people distrust the doctors, scientists, and government even more. It will backfire.

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      2. ” A new era is approaching, thirdwarning, and it won’t be stopped.”

        Yeah, you just keep telling yourself that. I’m sure it’s very comforting. When that time comes, what do you plan to do with the Type 1 diabetics, the asthmatic children who can’t survive without their inhalers, or those who depend on things like Epi-pens to prevent anaphylactic shock? You planning to fight meningitis with random herbs?

        I haven’t seen you explain how you manage to survive without eating, drinking, or breathing, which is the only way you could actually be ‘chemfree’. Why are you so terrified of the basic building blocks of all things?

        Oh, and ‘many’? I have serious doubts.

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    2. Mychoice, Congratulations on being a medically-trainer person who sees the reality of current medicine. Most of them don’t, as I’m sure you know. It takes an open-mind and ability to be a critical thinker….

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  23. And here we go with the mantra: “but you arent allowed to think for yourself or have an opinion other than mainstream medical care because youre a nurse” by someone who doesnt agree. I actually do work in healthcare. I, however realize that people do have patient rights, that include being fully informed before they have a drug introduced into their bodies. NO, i dont give a spiel of all the positives and all the negatives before a vaccine because 99% of the time my patients know what they want, and i RESPECT their decision. If, however, they have any question whatsoever and they ask me about it i will inform them of the risks, especially as it pertains to children, but i do state that it is totally their choice in what they ultimately decide. I wont give them any information either way of any website. If they want to search for facts its on them to search and find answers for themselves. I have no problem with people wanting to vaccinate really i dont. Some people just feel safer doing so. See i can care for patients, have my very own opinions (because ive done my own research and figured out whats best for me and my family) and still respect them enough to remain neutral when it comes to their health.

    Ive seen your 100 comments. You refuse to see what so many of us see. Thats perfectly fine and dandy, but it also raises the question why are you here? What motivates you to comment this many times when you know the crowd, especially the original blogger, likely wont change their minds? I used to be for vaccines, as i am sure accounts for many of us here; what makes you think you could ever hope to change my mind back? My advice to you: just stop being a troll stop posting CDC propaganda, since that seems to account for 99% of your sources. You believe it thats great, but the rest of us are quite tired of the drivel.

    It really gets under your skin doesnt it? The fact that i could be your nurse if you ever land in a hospital some day, and youd. Never. Even. Know. It.

    Muahhahaha!

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    1. Yeah, there’s a caring attitude.
      “If, however, they have any question whatsoever and they ask me about it i will inform them of the risks”
      Does your employer know you’ve set yourself up as a purveyor of misinformation and fearmongering to their patients? I notice you don’t mention anything about informing them of the overwhelming benefits.
      I’m curious, though, since you seem to have such a great need to disparage the CDC, who do you get your information from? What sources are you using instead of valid science?

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      1. To clarify, when a patient asks me a question about a vaccine its because they want to know risks, because they already know the benefits as the CDC or their doctor or other people told them. I state numbers. If pressed further about what i think, which has happened before, and usually because theyre already questioning the efficacy of vaccines, i will tell them, but only if asked and only to tell them they should look up the data on their own to decide. This is the same with any drug i give. Rule number 1 in nursing is to let the patient decide whats best for them. I do that. Nothing more nothing less.

        It drives you crazy that there are actually lots of people like me doesnt it? You just cannot accept the fact that we CAN and DO think for ourselves and sometimes disagree with modern medical care, YET we respect others and their wishes.

        I can see this is eating at you. Nothing you can say is going to change my mind so you turn to malicious attacks, calling me misinformed and stupid because i don’t agree. Well youll just have to get used to it. There is nothing you can do about my status as a nurse or change my mind or change the laws to force your agenda.

        So stop trolling, your wasting your own time.

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      2. Mychoice –

        You say lots of people like you but I truly wonder how many are like you. Probably somewhere around 10 to 20% of the population (if I’m being nice) I would wager. Some schools mention the percentage of waivers for vaccines and they change every year but not too drastically. I think it’s less then the anti vaxx crowd wants to believe and also less to fear then the pro vaxx crowd wants.

        I wonder if some liability could be passed on to your boss if a patient feels you talked them out of vaccinations. I doubt it but if I were a physicians I would hate to have that worry. anti vaxx crowds probably think they are growing because as the saying goes, “birds of a feather flock together”.

        Hopefully in the future any sort of medical training comes with lessons on correlation and causation.

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      3. Science is not as objective as people think, it’s politicized and up for sale in a lot of cases. However, I personally have posted many statistics from the CDC THEMSELVES, (since I know how you people believe everything they say) that go against what they’re telling people. Did you even bother to look at the vital statistics?

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    2. How can it be interpreted as coercing a patient one way or another when you read from a vaccine insert and use CDC data? Doctors do that all the time. Not everyone pushes their stance on others you know. I think youd like it if i could get into trouble because you like the statist society. No free thought allowed do as youre told society.

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  24. And one more thing. You said you think i think thousands of deaths arent worth anything but a shrug of the shoulders. I said that exactly nowhere. And if you think measles is killing thousands you probably should take a look at the CDC data you’re so fond of. In fact no sickness, relative to acute illness (not even the ones they dont vaccinate for) cause thousands to die. Like i said before, if we ever do see something like the flu of 1918 again, which DID kill thousands of people, NO vaccine will stop it.

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    1. The influenza epidemic of 1918 killed millions. A vaccine, even one at the low end of current effective rates, could have prevented maybe 60% of those deaths. I’m really sorry you think that’s just a sneeze. Or maybe a snore. You didn’t have to say it in so many words. It’s very clear How did you get into nursing, with that nearly total lack of compassion and empathy?
      You do know that the U.S. is not the entire world, right? That thousands of people die every day, just from measles? How many deaths would it take to trip your radar and cause you to see them as human beings instead of just a few dead strangers and nothing to worry about?
      I’m honestly glad for you that you haven’t been exposed, in your career, to the kind of devastation that uncontrolled epidemics of serious disease can cause. I wish you had the sense to understand why that is, and that if we go back to the kind of world you’re trying to hard to bring back, you’ll have plenty of opportunity to see what you’re missing. You make me very sad, really.

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      1. Thirdwarning, one of the reasons so many people died in the west during that flu epidemic was because the standard medical treatment was cough suppressant medication and patients effectively drowned in their own lung fluids. I can’t speak for India and other countries as to why the death rate was so high, but as both my great grandparents died of it in the slums of Sydney, poverty could have been a contributing factor.

        According to Osteopathic doctor records in the US, the recovery after patients’ musculoskeletal treatment was far higher than with the conventional medical treatment(which admittedly was pretty bad). More interesting, though, was that of those patients who were receiving regular osteopathic manual treatment, not one of them contracted the influenza. My guess is that this was possibly because of the immune and lymphatic stimulating effects of the treatment they received.

        So vaccination is not the only answer to flu.

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      2. “According to Osteopathic doctor records in the US, the recovery after patients’ musculoskeletal treatment was far higher than with the conventional medical treatment(which admittedly was pretty bad). More interesting, though, was that of those patients who were receiving regular osteopathic manual treatment, not one of them contracted the influenza.”

        Citation, please.

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      3. thirdwarning, the World Health Organization says that 146,000 people died of the Measles worldwide in 2013. With 6 billion people in this world, (that’s 6,000,000,000, maybe more now), that would be 0.000243% if I’m not mistaken. And, they also say that over 95% of deaths occur in poorer countries, who, due to poor nutrition, sanitation and lack of clean water, still die from diarrhea every day. We should be giving them nutritious food and clean water, not toxins. One good thing, is we do give them Vitamin A, which decreases the death rate by 50%.

        And, once again, the diseases were not deadly by the time the vaccines came out. There were either almost no deaths, (0.2% death rate for Measles) or they had already sharply declined before the vaccinations!

        Look here for line charts based on the National Center for Health Statistics numbers:

        http://www.healthsentinel.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2654:united-states-disease-death-rates&catid=55:united-states-deaths-from-diseases&Itemid=55

        These charts are based on these government statistics: (starting on page 565)

        http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf

        You keep repeating the propaganda you’ve heard over and over from the news and from the CDC. Do you realize that they have one goal, and it’s not to present the facts in any kind of balanced way, it’s to try to get as many people vaccinated as possible. This is the kind of deception you’re dealing with:

        This is an article in the British Medical Journal called “Are U.S. Flu Death Figures More PR than Science?”

        http://www.bmj.com/content/331/7529/1412

        In this article you will find not only that when they report flu deaths, they quote flu deaths in the world, instead of in the US, which is not a fair representation for reasons I stated above. But even worse, they give “reported” cases, not confirmed cases.

        In two articles about the outbreaks of Measles between 1989 and 1990, the National Institute of Health confirms that one, only 25.5% of the cases were lab-confirmed according to one article, and only 12% were confirmed according to the other article. The rest only fit the following description:
        — rash for 3 or more days,
        –fever of 101 deg. or more (and in parenthesis, they wrote “if measured”),
        –and ONE of the following: cough, inflamed mucous membranes of the nose (which can be caused by many viruses, infections and even allergies), or conjunctivitis.

        There are many illnesses that could have a rash, a slight fever, and a cough; and allergies can cause an inflamed nose and eyes. But, they report anyone with these symptoms as having measles even though only 12 to 25% were confirmed measles.

        Another dishonest thing they do, is to allow the media, and therefore the American people, to blame the unvaccinated for outbreaks, when usually there are just as many, if not more, cases in the vaccinated. With regard to the 89-90 outbreak, more than half of the cases were in vaccinated kids, which prompted them to recommend a booster shot.,

        But I think this is the most egregious lie of omission of all: When they quote deaths from the flu, they include pneumonia deaths in that figure, which far outweigh flu deaths, despite the fact that pneumonia can be caused by many other illnesses. The British Medical Journal published a shocking report in 2005 saying that when the CDC reported 62,034 deaths from the flu in 2001, only 257 of those deaths were actually attributable to the flu, and only 18 of those cases were even positively identified. The other 61,777 were from pneumonia that they self-servingly attributed to the flu, even though only 18 cases of flu were even confirmed. This is criminal!

        Think about that, the CDC is allowed to report that 62,000 people died from the flu in 2001, when there were only 18 confirmed cases. Then the media repeats that 62,000 death figure over and over again and scares the hell out of people. The CDC Media Relations responded to questions by the author of this article by saying in part “…the CDC uses indirect modelling methods to estimate the number of deaths associated with influenza.” No one is THAT bad at estimating, it is lying by omission.

        Also, at the 2004 “National Influenza Vaccine Summit”, co-sponsored by the CDC and the American Medical Assoc., the director for communications at the National Immunization Program, spoke about using the media to boost demand for the vaccines. He said one step of a “7-step Recipe for Generating Interest in, and Demand for, Flu (or any other) vaccine”, occurs when “medical experts and public health authorities publicly…state concern and alarm (and predict dire outcomes)–and urge influenza vaccination.” Another step entails “continued reports…that influenza is causing severe illness and/or affecting lots of people, helping foster the perception that many people are susceptible to a bad case of influenza.” This is planned and intentional deceit. Not to mention that you’re risking your health by getting all of the toxins in the vaccines and the flu vaccine only covers a few of the many possible strains of flu that are out there each year, and THIS year it was only about 10% effective. You’re being manipulated.

        I wish everyone would do a little digging, and read the studies yourself, don’t just take the word of either people like me, or government organizations who have a known symbiotic relationship with the pharmaceutical companies. All this information is out there for you to read, including the revolving door of employment between the CDC and FDA (whose job it is to police the pharm. cos.) and the pharmaceutical companies. It takes time, and it can be grueling, but if you really want to protect your children and foster good health in them, which I’m sure you do, then it is worth it. If you still want to vaccinate, that’s fine, but at least it will be based on fact, not on propaganda.

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      4. “Another dishonest thing they do, is to allow the media, and therefore the American people, to blame the unvaccinated for outbreaks, when usually there are just as many, if not more, cases in the vaccinated. With regard to the 89-90 outbreak, more than half of the cases were in vaccinated kids, which prompted them to recommend a booster shot.”

        Yes, more than half the cases were in vaccinated kids. Let’s look at that for a minute. The reason that outbreak gets so much attention in AV circles is that it happened in a highly vaccinated population. Something like 99% of those students had one dose of measles vaccine. That would leave only 1% unvaccinated. And yet, that 1% had nearly 50% of the total cases . While the 99% of the kids who were vaccinated had the other 50%.
        1000 students, maybe? Just to make things easy. 10 of them unvaccinated, so susceptible to measles. One dose of the vaccine is effective in about 95% of those who get it, so another 50 kids there, in that 5%. What you’re saying is that there were about as many cases of measles among those 60 students as there were in the other 940. Yet somehow you think the risk is the same.
        See, it’s not enough to look at the numbers. You have to understand the context. I know you really don’t want to do that, because it doesn’t make your case, but maybe you should give that some thought.
        And maybe, just maybe, you should ask yourself why you’ve had to go back 25 years to find this example.

        “We should be giving them nutritious food and clean water, not toxins.”
        We are working on both those things. What are you doing to help? The Gates Foundation, which your cohorts love to vilify, works tirelessly to find ways to help provide clean water and good food in third world countries, along with better medical care and improved sanitation. In the meantime, maybe you can explain how measles, rubella, chickenpox, rotavirus, Hib, have all nearly disappeared in this country without any changes in sanitation or access to decent food. Or how polio is gone from India, without changes in sanitation and hygiene, or eating habits, there.

        “And, once again, the diseases were not deadly by the time the vaccines came out. There were either almost no deaths, (0.2% death rate for Measles) or they had already sharply declined before the vaccinations!”
        It’s not that the diseases had changed. It’s that there was better medical care available in developed countries. Incidence didn’t change until shortly after each vaccine. (Which puts paid to your better sanitation and hygiene argument, as incidence dropped at a different time for each disease.) If your only concern is death, that’s up to you. If you choose to treat suffering, rather than prevent, that’s up to you, too. I’ll go with prevention, because keeping children safe is always better than allowing them to suffer and hoping to bring them back to health.

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    2. True, and remember, it killed them then because nutrition, and sanitation was not good back then. These illnesses can all be stopped if you know how to and have the means to support your immune system. (I know you know this Mychoice, I’m really saying this to others here…

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      1. ” it killed them then because nutrition, and sanitation was not good back then.”

        In the 1960s, in the United States? In the 1990s, in the United States? In the first years of the 21st century, in the United States? In each of those cases, that’s the time frame when one specific disease stopped killing children, here in the U.S. Measles, chickenpox, and rotavirus, respectively. Can you explain what major changes happened to our infrastructure in each case, that improved sanitation to such a degree?
        Then maybe you can explain how India went from hundreds of cases of polio to none over just a few years, with no major changes in their nutrition and sanitation.

        Of course, there’s also this:
        “The disease is bacterial meningitis, an infection that inflames the brain and spinal cord. Epidemics of meningitis A used to rage across the center of Africa, from Gambia in the west to Mali, Chad, South Sudan and into Ethiopia. Hundreds of thousands of people could be infected, sometimes with tens of thousands dead and many more permanently disabled, in what came to be known as the “Meningitis Belt.”

        Time to just go back to calling it the Sahel. These deadly outbreaks just don’t happen anymore thanks to a vaccine that was developed by a unique partnership, launched more than a decade ago, that may provide a model for how best to develop a vaccine or drug needed only by the poor.

        “This was driven by public health not business,” said Kathy Neuzil, head of vaccine access and delivery at Seattle-based PATH. “The fact that we were able to accomplish this over 13 to 14 years in a region with many countries experiencing political instability, coups, disasters and other problems is just remarkable.”

        http://www.humanosphere.org/global-health/2015/01/vaccine-on-track-to-eliminate-one-of-africas-most-feared-and-deadly-diseases-meningitis/

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  25. I have been researching and reading more and more about measles, the vaccinations and clinical studies.
    One thing I found interesting is the Mayo Clinic has been using the Measles virus with much success in several Cancer clinics.

    “In the 1970s, it was reported that natural infection with the measles virus (MV) led to spontaneous regression of hematologic cancers in African children. This and other, similar reports led to investigations of the oncolytic, or cancer-fighting, properties of MV and other viruses and their potential in cancer treatment.”

    Cited from http://www.mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/neurosciences/update-measles-virus-novel-therapy-glioblastoma (where you can also read about their trials)

    Now in US and Canada we see more childhood cancers then ever before. I am not going to debate if it is caused by the vaccine but I do question by not allowing children have the measles are we increasing there chances of childhood cancers?

    Could many of them if they had the measles been cured of their cancer before they were even diagnosed? Are we not looking at the whole picture?
    We know that some bacteria help our systems, Could measles be the one factor that help kill off childhood cancers?

    When we step in to fix one problem with out knowing all the ramifications are we creating more problems for future generations? Are we just looking first at the negative impact of virus before seeing the positive influences it has in our world?

    These questions lead me to wonder more and more.

    On a side note many quote the CDC information of deaths misleadingly. While worldwide there are 146,000 deaths due to Measles that must be taken in to context that it is out of 20 million who had measles.

    “Worldwide, an estimated 20 million people get measles and 146,000 people die from the disease each year—that equals about 400 deaths every day or about 17 deaths every hour.” cited from http://www.cdc.gov/measles/vaccination.html

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  26. If your child has cancer, then you should consult with doctors treating him/her.
    The whole suggestion that Autism is related to vaccination is a joke, but unfortunately parents don’t know, they would rather listen to the Quacks that keep this fiction alive.
    Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder usually display the symptoms by the time they start receiving vaccinations. They’ve already been observed to be slow to develop speech and social skills. These kids do not suddenly acquire Austism after getting inoculations.
    The one flawed study that claimed a connection between vaccination and Autism has been retracted and the physician lost their medical credential, because he faked the evidence, kept on lying after being caught, and was a paid ‘expert witness’ in a lawsuit against Pharma companies.
    The chances of an otherwise healthy child (not someone with cancer) dying of the measles is about 1 in 500 (one in five hundred) according to the most recent figures, where the chances of of dying from an adverse reaction to the MMR vaccine is on the order of 1 in 10,000,000 (one in ten million)
    The Quacks and healers and wellness-fitness people do not acknowlege this reality and instead are spinning it around into a conspiracy.
    You should be asking why are these people perpetuating a lie? (Part of the answer is that they are unregulated, there’s no oversight of what they do, no ramifications if they are caught lying)

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    1. Children receive the hep b vaccination at birth and a full round of hep b, hib, dtap, polio and rotavirus at 2 months old. There is no time for them to “display the symptoms” before vaccination. Please don’t comment here when you are so unqualified to have an opinion on the subject matter.

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      1. If you completely convinced of the evils of vaccination, then there’s no discussion with you.

        Austism is on the rise, worldwide, whether inocculated or not. according to WHO, CDC, and anyone familiar. There is no correlation between MMR vaccination and Austism.

        MMR is given to older children approximately age 18 months-2 years, with measles booster afterwards. Children with Autism Spectrum Disorder are displaying symptoms by either being unresponsive to parents and human contact, or hypersensitive, and lagging behind on the path to developing speech, not making attempts at vocalizing etc.

        Measles is highly contagous, even spread by airborne contamination. Death rate is 0.002 according to CDC.

        Death rate attributable to MMR has been < 0.0000001 …. less than 1 in 10 million.

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  27. I am assuming you are genuine in your quest to acquire information.

    I know many people in special education, including one who just wrote a book on Autism. All those I know say that the data shows Autism is on the rise, worldwide, MMR vaccinated or not. Partly this is due to improved awareness, as many of these kids in the past were classified as mentally retarded etc.

    And yes kids with Austism Spectrum Disorder display the signs quite early.

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    1. I haven’t banned anyone from commenting on this site but I’m thinking of banning you for your staunch stupidity. You bring nothing to this conversation and are so clearly out of the loop that you give the impression you never thought about any of this before today.

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    2. You do not have to be an expert to have an opinion or knowledge about autism. In fact, many of the psychological articles I have encountered in my studies focus on “stigma” encountered by families of autism, rather than shedding light on the causes or nature of autism. I have even come across two psychologists who are specialising in diagnosing Aspergers who do not have a sufficiently deep understanding of the finer points of high functioning autism, their judgment has contradicted their mentor, Dr Tony Attwood, probably the foremost authority on female autism. Other psychologists who are less familiar with this area of psychology, can have a surprisingly basic grasp of the subject.

      I am sure your contacts have both good understanding and skill, but this does not give them an unquestioned superior grasp of the science of neuro-developmental disorders, because opinions differ.

      The research posted above looks very good. There are countless parents who have witnessed their children regress in speech and other behaviour after receiving vaccines. If you look into Dr Andrew Wakefield’s research, you will find that an independent pathologist co-orborated his finding that there was vaccine strain measles in the guts of the children in his preliminary research. So even if you accept the ‘fraud” accusations bleated on websites by people who have not researched his history, those lab results still stand and merit looking into ( which is all he ever said).

      Yes, autism has not yet been proven to have been “caused” by vaccines, but there is a mountain of evidence by neurological development scientific experts linking it to autism, which is not to discount the other contributing or predisposing factors. Dr Wakefield had the humility to listen to the mothers, who witnessed the changes post vaccinations in their children. He believed, as do I, that science is about looking for patterns, and then investigating them.

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      1. “an independent pathologist co-orborated his finding that there was vaccine strain measles in the guts of the children in his preliminary research.”

        Citation, please? What pathologist?

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      2. “those lab results still stand and merit looking into ( which is all he ever said).”

        No, it isn’t all he ever said. He said, at the press conference to announce the results, that the measles virus he claimed to have found in the guts of those children caused their autism. He has since repeatedly defended that position, claiming in interviews and in his writings that MMR causes autism. I have personally heard him speak, and the entire speech was based on the idea that autism is vaccine damage.

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  28. I know people special education of the type that you don’t, people who work with Austic children on a daily basis, and who keep up with the literature. One has even published a new book on the subject.

    Sound to me like you’re seeking to validate your own opinions, and are not actually interested in discussion.

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  29. Thirdwarning, even the CDC have admitted that the current pertussis vaccine is not working and 80 per cent of young children under 5 who are contracting whopping cough have been vaccinated. Since I don’t have absolute numbers I don’t know how effective percentage wise the vaccination can be said to be(particularly as we don’t know how many of the vaccinated children would not have got whooping cough even if they hadnt been vaccinated. There are serious gaps in the statistics precisely because the research is not done, however, where did you get the statistic about pertussis vaccine being 80 per cent effective? And are the 20 percent of the children contracting whooping cough(who are not vaccinated) getting wild strain or vaccine strain whopping cough? They would have to do special tests for that.

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    1. Since the vaccine doesn’t contain whole cells of the bacterium, but only bits of the outer coat of the cell, there is no such thing as ‘vaccine strain’ whooping cough. It is not possible to catch pertussis from the vaccine.
      How effective is the vaccine? Here’s one source: http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_per.asp

      “even the CDC have admitted that the current pertussis vaccine is not working and 80 per cent of young children under 5 who are contracting whopping cough have been vaccinated.”
      Can you share your source, please? I’d like to see the context.

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  30. Skip. I just noticed that you alluded to Dr Andrew Wakefield. Dr Wakefield’s fully disclosed his being a paid witness AFTER he had already begun conducting his research. That disclosure was published in the LANCET journal, before his research came out, in that very same journal! The Lancet editor came under a lot of pressure(the owner of was on the board of Glaxosmithkline amongst other things) and subsequently lied in court about the non disclosure. The judge presiding over Dr Wakefield was a shareholder in that same company which was distributing the MMR vaccine in Britain, so there lies your true conflict of interest! It is amazing how mud sticks. If you listen to him speak, he is highly credible, humane and intelligent. Meanwhile, public health officials lie to try to ensure the “success” of their vaccination programs.The CDC is notorious for pressuring scientists to retract or neutralise their research about vaccines and autism.

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    1. The problem with all of that is that a large part of the reason AJW was struck off the medical register was his unethical treatment of his young patients and his callous disregard for their well being. He used them to further his research, all the while leading everyone, including John Walker-Smith, to believe that the procedures he was ordering for them were for their benefit, not for his.
      I’ve heard him speak. I’ve read his book. I’ve seen him use emotive stories about parents who want to kill their children as tools to gain audience attention and sympathy. (His audience cheered that story, by the way.)
      What does being a good public speaker have to do with anything? Sounding credible is an essential tool of any good salesman, and he does it very well.

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  31. Just thought I’d show something to the people on here who insist that it is the unvaccinated that is causing outbreaks. These are warnings from the vaccine inserts for several live-virus vaccines about shedding:

    MMR It downplays shedding. http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf

    PRECAUTIONS…Excretion of small amounts of the live attenuated rubella virus from the nose or throat has occurred in the majority of susceptible individuals 7 to 28 days after vaccination. There is no confirmed evidence to indicate that such virus is transmitted to susceptible persons who are in contact with the vaccinated individuals. Consequently, transmission through close personal contact, while accepted as a theoretical possibility, is not regarded as a significant risk.{33} However, transmission of the rubella vaccine virus to infants via breast milk has been documented (see Nursing Mothers). There are no reports of transmission of live attenuated measles or mumps viruses from vaccinees to susceptible contacts.

    Rotarix.
    https://www.gsksource.com/gskprm/htdocs/documents/ROTARIX-PI-PIL.PDF

    5.4 Shedding and Transmission Rotavirus shedding in stool occurs after vaccination with peak excretion occurring around day 7 after dose 1. One clinical trial demonstrated that vaccinees transmit vaccine virus to healthy seronegative contacts [see Clinical Pharmacology (12.2)]. The potential for transmission of vaccine virus following vaccination should be weighed against the possibility of acquiring and transmitting natural rotavirus. Caution is advised when considering whether to administer ROTARIX to individuals with immunodeficient close contacts, such as individuals with malignancies, primary immunodeficiency or receiving immunosuppressive therapy.

    Rotateq (I believe Paul Offit’s baby).
    http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/r/rotateq/rotateq_pi.pdf

    5.5 Shedding and Transmission Shedding of vaccine virus was evaluated among a subset of subjects in the Rotavirus Efficacy and Safety Trial (REST) 4 to 6 days after each dose and among all subjects who submitted a stool antigen rotavirus positive sample at any time. RotaTeq was shed in the stools of 32 of 360 [8.9%, 95% CI (6.2%, 12.3%)] vaccine recipients tested after dose 1; 0 of 249 [0.0%, 95% CI (0.0%, 1.5%)] vaccine recipients tested after dose 2; and in 1 of 385 [0.3%, 95% CI (<0.1%, 1.4%)] vaccine recipients after dose 3. In phase 3 studies, shedding was observed as early as 1 day and as late as 15 days after a dose. Transmission of vaccine virus was not evaluated in phase 3 studies. Transmission of vaccine virus strains from vaccinees to non-vaccinated contacts has been observed post-marketing. The potential risk of transmission of vaccine virus should be weighed against the risk of acquiring and transmitting natural rotavirus. Caution is advised when considering whether to administer RotaTeq to individuals with immunodeficient close contacts such as:  Individuals with malignancies or who are otherwise immunocompromised;  Individuals with primary immunodeficiency; or  Individuals receiving immunosuppressive therapy.

    Varivax.
    http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/v/varivax/varivax_pi.pdf

    5.4 Risk of Vaccine Virus Transmission Post-marketing experience suggests that transmission of vaccine virus may occur rarely between healthy vaccinees who develop a varicella-like rash and healthy susceptible contacts. Transmission of vaccine virus from a mother who did not develop a varicella-like rash to her newborn infant has been reported. Due to the concern for transmission of vaccine virus, vaccine recipients should attempt to avoid whenever possible close association with susceptible high-risk individuals for up to six weeks following vaccination with VARIVAX. Susceptible high-risk individuals include: • Immunocompromised individuals; • Pregnant women without documented history of varicella or laboratory evidence of prior infection; • Newborn infants of mothers without documented history of varicella or laboratory evidence of prior infection and all newborn infants born at <28 weeks gestation regardless of maternal varicella immunity.

    FluMist. http://www.medimmune.com/docs/default-source/default-document-library/product-and-patient-information-for-flumist-quadrivalent.pdf?sfvrsn=8

    17.2 Vaccination with a Live Virus Vaccine Vaccine recipients or their parents/guardians should be informed by the healthcare provider that FluMist Quadrivalent is an attenuated live virus vaccine and has the potential for transmission to immunocompromised household contacts.
    [funny, it won't spread to someone unless they're immunocompromised??]

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    1. The MMR insert does not downplay shedding. It tells you exactly what the research shows, that there’s no known case of the vaccine causing a case of any of the three diseases prevented by the vaccine. The fact that you aren’t willing to accept the research results because you’re afraid of something you suspect to be true says a lot about the reliability of your information.

      Rotavirus has been detected in the stool of babies who’ve been vaccinated. Unless you’re in the habit of not washing your hands after changing a diaper, it’s not likely to be a problem.

      “transmission of vaccine virus may occur rarely between healthy vaccinees who develop a varicella-like rash and healthy susceptible contacts.”
      Is ‘rarely’ a word you have trouble understanding? In this case, the vaccinated person would first have to develop the rash (which is rare) and then the other person would have to come into contact with it.
      In none of these situations is a vaccinated individual a threat to the population at large. Unlike the unvaccinated person, who is many times more likely to catch a VPD and be contagious with the actual virulent strain of the virus, the possibility of transmitting a disease by shedding the vaccine strain is so remote that in practical terms it’s not a consideration.

      “Vaccination with a Live Virus Vaccine Vaccine recipients or their parents/guardians should be informed by the healthcare provider that FluMist Quadrivalent is an attenuated live virus vaccine and has the potential for transmission to immunocompromised household contacts.”

      Has the potential. It’s hypothetically possible. Again, this is the problem with reading the product insert when you don’t understand it. It’s a legal document, required to include any and every possible concern that hasn’t been absolutely ruled out, and since science can’t prove a negative they have to mention things that just don’t matter in the real world.
      While you’re playing ‘fear and loathing from the inserts’, let’s remember that the one you quoted for influenza is *only* for FluMist. It doesn’t apply to anyone who’s had a flu shot, because those use killed virus.
      “[funny, it won’t spread to someone unless they’re immunocompromised??]”
      Not funny at all. It’s an attenuated virus, deliberately weakened so it won’t cause disease. So, no, unless you have a weakened immune system that can be affected by almost anything, it’s not going to make you sick. That’s the whole point of vaccines, after all. Odd that you don’t get that.

      I know what you said you were trying to do with this, but what you’ve really done is illustrate why it isn’t the vaccinated who are spreading disease. In trying to read much more into the warnings than is there, you’ve made it very clear that the risk is almost nonexistent.

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      1. It’s funny that you only focus on the word “rarely” when it applies to adverse reactions and shedding from vaccines, but not when it applies to serious complications and deaths from the actual diseases.

        And, you say “So, no, unless you have a weakened immune system that can be affected by almost anything, it’s not going to make you sick.” But, isn’t that exactly who people like you are so worried about protecting from the Measles that you assume the unvaccinated are carrying around too? After all, if you have a healthy immune system and you’re vaccinated, what do YOU have to worry about? And, if you don’t have a healthy immune system, you admit yourself that you’re also susceptible to being around people who’ve just been vaccinated, who we KNOW have the virus in side them, whereas with the unvaccinated, they’re just as likely or unlikely as anyone else to have the virus. And, it’s funny that the unvaccinated are assumed to be carrying around illnesses when they’re actually much healthier over all. There is just no reason to believe it’s the unvaccinated that are spreading any disease.

        “The source of the initial Disney theme park exposure has not been identified.”

        I lost the website link, and don’t have time to look it up, but I copied this statement from the CDC site, so you can look it up yourself. Though, it’s common for those with an agenda to vaccinate everyone will keep saying outbreaks are happening due to the unvaccinated, if you just read the whole article or report, you will see more times than not that the outbreaks occur in just about as many vaccinated people as unvaccinated. And, don’t forget to see how many cases in an outbreak were actually confirmed and not just assumed due to symptoms that can be from several different illnesses, and even allergies.

        Also, though I don’t have time to find the links right now, there were two German studies, one from New Zealand, and one from China, as well as a survey done in the U.S. and all of them showed unvaccinated children to have much lower rates of many different health issues than vaccinated children. Like Autism, Allergies, ADHD, Ear Infections, etc.

        I don’t need a study to tell me that because I know a lot of people, in person and online, whose children aren’t vaccinated, and just like mine, they never get sick unlike their vaccinated peers. And, I also know many people who vaccinated their older kids and not their younger ones — after an adverse reaction or injury — and time and again the ones who aren’t vaccinated never get sick or have health issues compared to the vaccinated one. Anecdotal? Maybe, but the few studies that have compared the health of vaxxed kids to unvaxxed support it. I know I’ve belonged to several mother’s groups over the years, and have not met another parent whose child never even had to have antibiotic by the time they were 8. Also, my son has never had an ear infection or strep throat or the flu. Just an occasional stomachache or cold that lasts only a couple days.

        It must be nice to live in a fantasy world where you think the government is always honest and never chooses to push their own agenda rather than to protect its citizens. But, I think it’s irresponsible to continue to blame the unvaccinated for outbreaks, even when the evidence doesn’t support it.

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      2. To ……..thirdwarning…. Here are is my pie…. my autistic child is a victim of the precious vaccine(s) you so cherish and support…. to me THAT is a big deal! So go back to your pathetic life and let the rest of us anti-vaxxars raise our children with out seeing or hearing from you! Because YOU can’t give back my daughter what she has lost, YOU can’t give her back the years of ridicule, misunderstanding, bullying and humiliation from other children that don’t understand her and countless therapy she has underwent and still is today, YOU can’t give back my piece of mind of how she is going to grow up in this world and YOU certainly can’t take back the vaccination that caused this family so much pain! Shame on you for supporting and defending this evil. Though you can swallow the small percentage of those children affected by the vaccine(s)…. swallow the fact that it ruined my child’s chance at a normal life. Go ahead sleep at night with your assurance that you think you are so right and it’s ok that so little humans are effected by these big dam greedy companies…. Yeah I am pissed and yes I am emotional about it and yes I have done my research. I have also read all your stupid posts defending the vaccines.. NOTHING in your posts can tell me how to take back the vaccine that effected MY little girl! Do me a favor DO NOT reply back to MY post unless you can tell me how you can cure my daughter of autism!….. but we all know YOU CAN’T…. just like YOU CAN’T guarantee ANY OF US PARENTS your vaccinations are SAFE!

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      3. it would be nice if the author of the blog would also threaten to censor individuals who are mean and insulting to the ‘pro-vaxx’ side. I have seen several times the threat to kick someone out for attacking the anti-vaxx side… you would hope for some consistency. Pissed off mom has been nothing short of attacking to anyone who thinks differently then her.

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  32. There is no amount of debating that is going to convince someone from their position. I think we can all agree, however, that the reason everyone is so passionate is because we care about those we love. The only problem I see, is from the opinion of the blogger we are all posting on. Using statements that are false, measles is no more than a rash, or snarky insults, is not a way to present something you believe in. I don’t care what side you are on.

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  33. Excellent Referenced Evident done by Sharon:

    Sharon | February 4, 2015 at 1:36 pm | Reply
    After reading this blog, I feel obliged to provide readers with some evidence of the health risks associated with vaccinations, so that there is a better understanding of why some parents choose not to vaccinate their children. With adequate research, parents can make an educated decision for their families, rather than based on guilt from other parents. Most of this material is taken from ‘Natural Baby-Healthy Child’ by Dr. Murray Clarke, ND, D. Hom, L. Ac. c.2010, and all the facts are referenced in its appendix for further research.
    It should be understood that there are inherent risks in vaccinations simply due to the manufacturing process. Firstly, there is contamination from the genetic material on which the virus/bacteria was grown. One example is the monkey virus SV40, introduced into the first polio vaccine, which has been implicated in causing increased cancer and autoimmune diseases in those people who received that vaccine. More recently, several vaccines have been recalled due to bacterial contamination, sometimes years after their distribution to the poplulation. Merck Co., in 2007, recalled 1.2 million doses of Hib B vaccine, and in 2010 GlaxoSmithKline rotavirus vaccine was found to be contaminated with a pig virus. Secondly, ‘Hot Batches’ of vaccines have been found to contain a stronger strain or higher level of contamination (such as DPT vaccines that were found to be associated with convulsions, seizures, inflammation of brain, and cognitive disabilities). Parents simply don’t know if their child is receiving a ‘hot batch’ of a vaccine that carries a higher health risk. Thirdly, there is a risk associated with the additives in the vaccines. The most well-known additive, thimerosal, is a mercury derivative. The US FDA ordered manufacturers to stop using it as a preservative in 2000, yet these vaccines are still being administered. Other additives include ammonium sulphate, latex rubber, MSG, aluminum, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, human and animal cells, nanobacteria, and the list goes on…
    Researchers may have studied the effect of one additive on human health, but haven’t accounted for the risk of all of these additives and contamination risks TOGETHER.
    Now add-on the fact that these vaccines are administered by injection so that the virus/bacteria, toxic additives and contamination bypasses all our typical routes of dealing with toxins. If we were naturally exposed to these viruses, we would have the barriers of our mucus membranes and skin, intestinal membrane, blood-brain barrier, and immune cells, but the vaccine is injected past these natural barriers. And we are talking about children here, whose immune function isn’t fully matured yet! Then add other vaccines, at the same time! Would your child naturally be exposed to diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, Hep B, and influenza all on the same day? Well that is what their immune system is exposed to when multivalent and multiple vaccines are given simultaneously! It stresses the body and confuses the immune response. It has been proven that multiple vaccines increase the detrimental consequences of vaccinations. For instance, vaccination with the MMR vaccine and the chickenpox vaccine together doubles the risk of fever-related seizure among 1 and 2 year olds, compared to giving the vaccines separately. Infants receive 32 doses of at least 12 different vaccines containing additives, chemicals, metals, contaminants and bacteria/virus before the age of 2. By age 6, they have received 48 doses of 14 vaccines! How could this possibly carry no risk? And each child’s threshold with dealing with all these toxins and viruses is different, which is why public vaccination schedules are not recommended for certain children.
    The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was established to compensate families for severe adverse effects from vaccines (such as life-threatening illness, prolonged hospitalization, permanent disability, and death). This program also protects the vaccine manufacturers from any liability due to their health risks. It is estimated that only 10% of adverse reactions are filed, and yet over $1.5 billion has been paid to families for SEVERE adverse effects from vaccines.
    Hep B, MMR and Rotavirus vaccines have highest incidence of adverse effects and reactions. MMR is a live vaccine and as such has the highest degree of risk of adverse side effects. It is a multi-valent vaccine and often adminstered with 5 other vaccines! And it is directly associated with causing inflammatory response in the brain (leading to developmental disorders and autistic symptoms). So if we are talking about the measles (accessible as MMR) vaccination, we are placing our children’s health at risk in order to prevent a rare disease which is not life-threatening, especially if treated correctly.
    These health risks should not be taken lightly. In 1996, 872 serious adverse events were reported in children (under 14 years of age) who had the Hep B vaccine. 48 children DIED after injection that year! Died! Between 1990 and 1998, there were 9, 673 serious adverse events and 439 deaths reported from the Hep B vaccine alone. Compare this to the rate of contracting a virus when unvaccinated. MMR has an 80% vaccination rate, therefore 20% or16 million American children are unvaccinated. In 2004, of these 16 million children, there were only 23 cases of measles, 44 cases of mumps and no rubella. There were no fatalities.
    It should also be noted that there are many countries that do not routinely administer certain vaccines, due to their health risks. For example, Australia and New Zealand do not administer Hep A. France stopped all school Hep B vaccination programs in 1998 due to it being directly linked to juvenile diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and multiple sclerosis.

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  34. Fact: Formaldehyde is a known carcinogen. http://www.niehs.nih.gov/news/newsroom/releases/2011/june10/
    Fact: If i slipped formaldehyde into your orange juice and urged you to drink it, that would be be a criminal act. It is illegal to knowingly poison people. I could and should be jailed.
    Fact: many vaccines contain formaldehyde. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

    Why do we engage in debates over vaccine ‘safety’? Some psychopath knowingly put poison in a vaccine, and is pushing you to take it. Arrest the people who put carcinogens in vaccines, and then arrest the pediatricians and other doctors who purposefully inject this filth. There IS NO DEBATE. It is illegal to poison people. Let’s use the law and jail the vaccine makers, and their cheap whores in the medical profession. Poisoning is attempted murder.

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    1. You sound like someone going off on the mercury in vaccines, but people such as you don’t understand chemistry one bit. Have you heard of a chemical called HO2, it’s VERY similar to H2O…they both have oxygen and both have hydrogen. Now Hydrogen and Oxygen mixed are HIGHLY explosive…and if you drink HO2 (hydrogen peroxide) or get it on your skin it will literally eat you alive…yet H2O (water) is necessary for life. The “mercury” in vaccines (and whatever else you’re blabbering about) is no different. They don’t break down into harmful substances either. Something you nut jobs can never answer is why on earth do you people in your right mind think a doctor who has made their life’s work finding a cure for illness would then willingly poison millions of people? They wouldn’t! All your conspiracy theorizing is absurd and only shows a lack of understanding of chemistry and a rancid mindset that anyone with a higher education than you or in a position of authority over you MUST BE trying to kill you. Every time I talk to a looney like you all I get is unsupported conspiracy theories (science is all about making money, they make money by killing people {not that this has actually even ever happened as vaccines have not killed but save lives}, the doctors are in on killing us all) with NOTHING to back it except TOTALLY MADE UP paranoid delusions that people are trying to kill us…maybe if ONE of you offered SOME evidence or ANYTHING valid but none of you EVER has.

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      1. Benjamin, Consult the VAERS if you really believe no one has been killed by vaccines. Why, then, would the government say they were and pay them huge sums of money? And, most of it don’t think doctors are TRYING to kill us. They just aren’t receiving the information they need about vaccines, in med school, from the pharmaceutical companies or from governing bodies. They just follow “policy” instituted by the government, and the government makes that policy based on what scientists who work for the pharmaceutical companies tell them. In some ways, they are victims of propaganda too.

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      2. First of all, vaccines have killed many people. That is why the govt. had paid out almost $3 billion to victims.

        Second, vaccines didn’t save lives. The death rates for all diseases, including ones that never had a vaccine, dropped before the vaccines came out, some like Measles, dropped dramatically.

        Third, If you want proof, go the CDC’s Vital Statistics on Morbidity and Mortality. Govt. agencies, pharmaceutical companies, medical organizations, and doctors are people, or made up of people, and people DO lie. I’d like to believe it’s because they truly believe in the safety and efficacy of vaccines and their necessity, and so they feel justified in lying and misrepresenting the facts and statistics. But, statistics do NOT lie. Look them up.

        Fourth, Most doctors cannot even tell you the ingredients in a vaccine, even though, by law, they are required to give you that information. They recommend vaccinations to children who are already sick, even though it is contraindicated in the vaccine inserts themselves. Doctors are not as knowledgeable, esp. on vaccines, as you think they are.

        Fifth, Rather than attack those who have a different opinion than you, you should do some research. I don’t mean going to the CDC website and seeing what they have to say about this issue. I mean, look up the studies on both sides of the issue and read them in their entirety, not just the abstracts or conclusions. I cannot tell you how many times the data in a study does not support AT ALL the conclusion. You also need to look at who the author is and what ties they have. It is very common for studies that conclude vaccines are totally safe to be done by employees of pharmaceutical companies or those who have a connection to the pharm. cos. Why would you listen to a study by someone who works for the very company that stands to profit from vaccines? That’s just not intelligent.

        Sixth, You should know that even the CDC admits that the demographic of people who are not vaccinating are upper middle class, and college-educated people. These are not dummies. A person does not make the decision lightly to go against an entire medical and scientific paradigm, subjecting themselves to ridicule and attacks. But, once you look at the actual science on both sides, you cannot deny there is a problem.

        Seventh, Another way that people remain in the dark, despite overwhelming evidence, is that when referred to a site where they would find proof of what we are saying, they go to work trying to discredit that site or it’s owner. “Oh, that person is a quack who’s into alternative medicine, so it means nothing.” But, if instead, you look at those sites as just a source of compiled studies, you would then look at the links to the ACTUAL studies, and read them. The owners of these sites didn’t DO the studies, they’re just compiling the info. Look at the studies and read them!

        Eighth, You do realize that this is not the first time in history that govt. and industry got together to deceive the American people due to greed, right? This is exactly what happened with the tobacco industry. The “scientists” who worked for the tobacco industry, and even for govt. health agencies, repeatedly said cigarettes were not addictive and didn’t cause cancer. Doctors told their patients the same thing. Media didn’t give credence to people saying that this wasn’t true, because tobacco was paying them fortunes for ads. It took years, even with all of the scientific evidence to the contrary, for the truth, and the deceit to come out. This wasn’t that long ago! Greed is a powerful motivator.

        Ninth, Scientists should NEVER be saying that the evidence is conclusive, there is no reason to do any more studies. That is a big red flag. Science advances by questioning things. There is nothing that shouldn’t be subject to questions. The fact that they are trying to scare the American people into NOT questioning vaccines, should concern you even more.

        Tenth, To say there is not propaganda, is crazy. The CDC tries to scare you by telling you that Measles is a killer disease, even though it hasn’t killed anyone in the US in over 10 years. In countries where it does kill people, they don’t have sufficient nutrition and still die of diarrhea, even more than from measles. Look up the stats. The World Health Organization even says on its website that given sufficient Vitamin A, the death rate drops by 50%.
        And, even before the vaccine, it was no longer a “killer disease.” Many diseases that killed people in the early 1900s, barely killed anyone in the 50’s and 60’s, because we learned about the importance of nutrition in supporting the immune system. In 1960, Measles killed 400 people per year. To put that into perspective, 130 people died from being struck by lightning that year, and 12,000 died from ulcers and similar stomach issues. And, the hype regarding this year’s outbreak, is outrageous. The number of cases reported by the CDC keeps changing every time I read it, but the highest number I’ve seen is 178 this year. But, they don’t tell you that there has been, on average, 100 cases per year in the US since 2000. Some years it was as low as 35, and some as high as over 600. If you look at their statistics in a line graph format, you’d see that measles cases have ALWAYS gone up and down a lot.
        And, every single year they say “this is going to be the worst flu season EVER!” Really? Again? And they report things like “In 2001, 36,000 people died of the flu and pneumonia, so go get your flu shot!” But, when you look at the actual statistics, you find that in 2001, only just over 200 of those deaths were actually attributable to the flu, and only 18 of those were lab-confirmed! So, only 18 people were confirmed to have died from the flu, and yet they get away with saying 36,000 people died, and insinuate that they were all from the flu, by saying “so, you better go get your flu shot.” If a private industry was guilty of such deception, they would be fine for false advertising or fraudulent claims..

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    2. and btw you breath out more formaldehyde naturally (bet you didn’t know your own body naturally produces it did you?) than is in any vaccines…but this is beside the point as any in the vaccine actually breaks down to even less harmless chemicals…once again, you don’t understand chemistry OR the human body.

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  35. What I wish the people spouting about the vaccine/seizure link could understand is that ANY illness causing a fever is just as likely to cause a seizure in these kids. Anti-vaccers want you to believe something in the vaccine travels in the blood and to the brain and causes it to misfire…no…it’s the bodies inability to handle a fever that causes it. Yes I understand the vaccine led to an immune response which then led to a fever, but what you need to take from this is even without the vaccine ANY illness causing a fever in that person is just as likely to lead to a seizure, it’s not actually the vaccines fault. And contrary to the ignorant blogger, these illnesses (if she paid attention to the news) are NOT gone from the U.S., especially measles! If you get a fever from a pollen allergy, or the common cold even, you are at risk of a febrile seizure. The vaccine doesn’t make you more likely to have a febrile seizure, it just can cause a seizure and you have the body type that is susceptible to febrile seizure. And this risk is not a good reason for not getting the flu vaccine. With the vaccine you may have an immune response that leads to a fever and you may be susceptible to a seizure but as we saw (and I saw first hand personally at my work NUMEROUS TIMES) the flu CAN lead to TOTAL respiratory failure in YOUNG healthy adults. I was the last person a young man saw alive before he died from h1n1 as a result of failing lungs as a result of the flu. How bad of a febrile seizure is your unvaccinated kid going to have without the flu shot, because the symptoms are FAR worse without it than with, even if you posses the body type susceptible to febrile seizures. If a vaccine leads to an immune response of a fever and this leads to a febrile seizure understand that this person is JUST as likely to have had a febrile seizure from ANY illness causing a fever even without a vaccine.

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    1. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccine_Monitoring/history.html

      “The NCVIA established a committee from the Institute of Medicine (IOM) to review the literature on vaccine reactions. This group concluded that there are limitations in our knowledge of the risks associated with vaccines. The group looked at 76 health problems to see if they were caused by vaccines. Of those, 50 (66%) had no or inadequate research to form a conclusion. [6, 7] Specifically, the IOM identified the following problems:

      — Limited understanding of biological processes that underlie adverse events.
      — Incomplete and inconsistent information from individual reports.
      — Poorly constructed research studies (not enough people enrolled for the period of time).
      — Inadequate systems to track vaccine side effects.
      — Few experimental studies were published in the medical literature”.

      Unfortunately, my computer is giving me trouble. I was going to post a link to just how many vaccine injuries involve brain injury and other neurological problems. It’s not just seizures. And, as you see above, even the CDC admits that the Institute of Medicine concluded that there is limited understanding of the adverse events, poorly constructed research studies, and inadequate tracking of side effects (most estimates are that 2 to 10% of adverse events are reported, mostly by pharmaceutical companies and doctors).

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  36. i worked for a doctor many years ago who was a board cert doctor turned to toxology.

    and before anyone attacks my grammer because u dont like my opinion, i dont care…

    anyhow, she turned to detoxing and research after all 3 or her VERY smart boys were diagnosed with autism directly following their shots. (im leaving details out because it doesnt matter which one. we all know whuch ones are linked, we are big boys and girls)

    my question is:
    and feel free to respond, but i dont have an obssesion with checking peoples opinions of me, so i wont read it 🙂
    …my question is…
    why do you individuals who are pediatrcians and doctors, have so much time you can flounder around on peoples blogs and comment repeatedly, and reposting, reading, arguing?
    id like to know if you have such an opinion of this nature, and so much time to shove it in peoples faces that, clearly are here reading a post we agree with in some accord from the blogger, why not use your time to advocate in ways that matter, on sites that are bigger than individuals?

    my answer to everyone would be this:
    theyre affraid to play with the big boys. they have time because they need to vent their anger about parents whose beliefs dont add up to theirs AND this, an ANNONYMOUS posting on a website that is individuals speaking to a smaller crowd, is perfect for them to hide under the cover of internet cables and lash out at all the ‘small fries’ like us, trying to continue our research on the topic…unlike many people who, oppose the view point of this blogs topic, and finish their research with med school or the cdc web site 😀

    my only point, is stop lashing out at your patients beliefs. it doesnt help you cause for any of the firm believers, to take your passionate soap box and throw the SAME LINES in their faces that anti-vacers have heard time and again.

    aleast our blogger here posts PROMINATE information thats more than from just 2 sources funded by government buracracy.

    btw, really? those posters who shall remain nameless-because-its-not-just-them-but-other-pro-vaccers: you firmly believe that any researcher/goverment official/scientist or doctor doesnt have an agenda of their own???
    my example? what are you doing right now?
    the answer: advocating your own cause by fighting AGAINST something u dont believe in. and…didnt u say u are a doctor?

    we are human, we all have our morals values and belief systems, its whats sets us aside from the robots, u know?<– 😉

    our passion as humans is what drives us to do our jobs day in and day out for those that actually find their job interesting…so if passion does drive an individual, u bet ur dollar they will find a way to prove their own ideas right some point or other. it is one of the reasons science requires multiple studies to prove a point. but…they need to be independent studies not funded by anyone…esp the people making the damn vacs.

    thank u. that is all.

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  37. Here’s another idea for doctors who swear by the information they regurgitate from the CDC, why don’t you come up with your own studies. How about taking all of your unvaccinated patients and comparing their health to the vaccinated? Come up with some charts based on a little excel spreadsheets and come to some other conclusions. How about reporting every single case of vaccine damage to the VAERS site. How about actually standing behind your patients when a child does die or become damaged from vaccines and actually help them get some award money from the fed. How about not looking after your own behind and thinking about the patients you serve when those who become damaged come before you. How about not shrugging off a patients concern.
    When a CDC scientist lies and comes out with a statement that says he fudged statistical numbers, why not look into THAT? Those are the studies that you are basing your information from the CDC off of.
    Honestly, western medical doctors disgust me at this point in time. I hope that more and more people look to alternative forms of medicine for medical care. I hope that alternative doctors form an insurance group so we can pay our mandated premiums to them instead of big box medical doctors who give you 30 seconds of their time when meeting with you and turning on their heels and huffing out of the room. My son’s doctor is ok, but I recently pulled his medical records and she actually lies about the things we have went over during the few visits we have had. I won’t get into the details. I’d challenge parents to pull actual medical records to see what docs say happened during your visits. Doctors suck. I used to think that it was a profession of people who cared, but most docs care about one thing (wait two) … their money and their ego. In dealing with customers who are doctors at work, they are arrogant jerks who think they are above others.
    Medicine is a practice. Medicine in this country is the leading cause of death. I’ll take my chances by declining any more vaccinations for myself (haven’t had any in almost 2 decades) and any and all for my child. I will homeschool if necessary even if it violates my son’s right. I’ll take my chances with trace minerals and vitamins, eating healthy as ofter as possible and staying clean.
    BTW, people who call me a ‘freeloader’ because I ride on their child’s immunity (sigh), I say this. You free load off me for my mandated health insurance cost. Why, because if it weren’t a stupid law, I’d forego the 100’s that I pay monthly for my health insurance and my sons. We don’t even use the darn insurance. And when I have used it, it is now almost as expensive as just paying cash or going to see a DO once every 2 years when I feel it’s necessary for myself or my child to go see a doctor. $60 bucks for a visit to the big box medical doctor on insurance. Before health reform it was 35. 225 med prescription from the big box hospital that I picked up at CostCo for 55 bucks. So yeah, keep free loading off me for keeping my kid healthy while your child is at the doctor every 6 weeks loading up on vax shots and then antibiotics because you seem to love bringing your kid into seeing the ‘white coat’ bigot.

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    1. “Here’s another idea for doctors who swear by the information they regurgitate from the CDC, why don’t you come up with your own studies. How about taking all of your unvaccinated patients and comparing their health to the vaccinated? Come up with some charts based on a little excel spreadsheets and come to some other conclusions.”

      My my, someone needs to enroll in an epidemiology/biostatistics class. We won’t follow your suggestions because that is very rudimentary and highly biased research. REAL clinical research being done now is already being conducted the best way we know: through targeting the representative populations, accruing a large enough sample size, controlling for confounders, stratification based on factors, and on making sure that the participants of studies have very few differences. When this is done, results become very reliable. This includes research on vaccines, which have shown, unsurprisingly, that they are very safe and very effective in preventing the spread of infectious diseases.

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      1. Research and you’ll see the most of the popular studies used to support the idea that vaccines are safe and effective and do not cause autism, are just the type of epidemiological studies you mention above.

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  38. SOMEONE SAY AUTISM ONE MORE TIME!!!!!! THAT WAS A FRAUD……. A MAN BY THE NAME OF ANDREW WAKEFIELD STARTED THAT CRAP!!! EDUCATE YOURSELVES PEOPLE. STOP BEING MISLEAD BY THESE ARTICLES FROM MOMS WHO THINK THEY KNOW MORE THAN DOCTORS…. I AM SORRY BUT WHERE IS YOUR DEGREE? HOW LONG WERE YOU IN SCHOOL???

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    1. Autism could be caused by a number of factors, surely? And, the extraordinary rise in cases of autism could be surely explained, in part, by the extreme number of vaccinations… it’s just common sense, really.

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    2. The first true case of autism was diagnosed in the 30’s. The same decade that thimerosal was developed by Eli Lily and started to be used.

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